Re: [Keith] Better be in date when traveling comercial!

[firediver 0]

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flying is a privledge not a right.

Where the hell does it say that in the constitution?

uh, that airplane you're getting on is a private plane, owned by a corporation. They have agreed with the powers that be that there will be searches done as needed. That's why a cop couldn't just walk up to you on the street and have you out of your shoes and go through your bags without cause, but the TSA can. You don't have to fly on it, but if you want to, you have to play by their rules. EL Al airlines does it differently in israel, they say, "you not flying", you say "why not??", they say, "because we said so"...end of discussion. I think we have it pretty good, even if it is a hassle compared to the "old" days.

Skydiving isn't scary;...but clowns...CLOWNS are scary!

[Nightingale 0]

Your rights:

1. freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom to petition the government if you have a grievance.

2. the right to keep and bear arms

3. the right to not have soldiers quartered in your home without your permission

4. the right if protection against illegal search and seizure.

5. the right to a grand jury indictment for a capital crime (unless you are military), the right to not be a witness against yourself, and the right to keep your life, liberty, and property unless due process of the law says otherwise.

6. the right to a speedy and public trial, the right to a defense attorney, and the right to confront your accusers.

7. the right to trial by jury for controversy exceeding a monetary value of $20.

8. the right of protection against cruel and unusual punishment, excessive bail, and excessive fines.

9. Certain rights in the constitution cannot be construed to deny other rights retained by the people.

10. powers not delegated to the feds by the constitution are reserved to the states or to the people.



Nope... No right to fly on an airplane. The airlines have to enforce the same rules for everyone, but if, for example, American Airlines decides no rigs on board, they are within their rights to do so, as long as the same rule applies to everyone.

[kallend 2,112]

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Your rights:

1. freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom to petition the government if you have a grievance.

2. the right to keep and bear arms

3. the right to not have soldiers quartered in your home without your permission

4. the right if protection against illegal search and seizure.

5. the right to a grand jury indictment for a capital crime (unless you are military), the right to not be a witness against yourself, and the right to keep your life, liberty, and property unless due process of the law says otherwise.

6. the right to a speedy and public trial, the right to a defense attorney, and the right to confront your accusers.

7. the right to trial by jury for controversy exceeding a monetary value of $20.

8. the right of protection against cruel and unusual punishment, excessive bail, and excessive fines.

9. Certain rights in the constitution cannot be construed to deny other rights retained by the people.

10. powers not delegated to the feds by the constitution are reserved to the states or to the people.



Nope... No right to fly on an airplane. The airlines have to enforce the same rules for everyone, but if, for example, American Airlines decides no rigs on board, they are within their rights to do so, as long as the same rule applies to everyone.

See rule No. 10. The constitution doesn't delegate any powers about airplanes to the feds.

Rule #5 seems largely ignored in drug busts, what with stuff being confiscated.

Rule #6 doesn't apply to alleged terrorists.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Your rights:

[Bill of Rights listed]

9. Certain rights in the constitution cannot be construed to deny other rights retained by the people.

Nope... No right to fly on an airplane. The airlines have to enforce the same rules for everyone, but if, for example, American Airlines decides no rigs on board, they are within their rights to do so, as long as the same rule applies to everyone.

Don't miss the point of #9. Just because the right to fly (or any other right) isn't listed in the first ten amendments (aka the Bill of Rights) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You note yourself that at a minimum equal protection is required, and it goes further than that. A ban on skydive rigs is really only a ban against skydivers. Without a motivating concern, it would not be a valid one. If it fits within the size and weight measurements, isn't a safety hazard, they don't really have grounds to stop you, and can't hide behind the protection as a private company.

The FAA spells out quite a few regulations on what can be transported, and how. Scuba tanks can be transported, so long as the pressure is less than 41psi. In practice that means you drain it fully and take the valve off. Many airlines have in the past and current had a stated policy of charging divers $75 to carry typical gear (no tanks), but reality was a 'don't tell, don't pay system,' so long as you stayed within the usual limits. And why should they? One doesn't pay to travel with skis or golf clubs, and those items do require special handling. My skis in particular are 2.1 meters long.