sinker 0 #51 November 7, 2003 looks like I'm the one who's blind... I missed that! Looks like I'll have to see it again... all in all it was enjoyable, although I agree w/ those who said the first was groundbreaking, the second lost a lot (which the middle of a trilogy usually does) and the third was better than 2 but not as good as 1. i tell ya though, seeing all those sentinels penetrate the dock and the ensuing fight scene was intense. -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #52 November 7, 2003 Quotei tell ya though, seeing all those sentinels penetrate the dock and the ensuing fight scene was intense. The entire sequence leading up to that (the hovership chase to the pause in the fight) was freak'n rocking!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #53 November 7, 2003 LOL! yup... "kiss me baby one more time..." -trinity -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #54 November 7, 2003 QuoteRevolutions fucking rocked! No plot you say? No shit! That's because the plot is in Reloaded, Revolutions is a "wrap up" movie, not a stand-alone movie. Stupid movie physic: Well, shit, it IS Sci-Fi...but that's ok, go back to work arguing how transporters work...wait, they don't, but I thought everything in Star Trek was real. Here's the AggieDave view: its a good movie, worth the $7 to go see it. Infact, I'm going to go watch it again next week. Sure, wait for the DVD, but honestly, I think if you don't see it on a large screen, you'll wish you would have. Oh, secondary review: I watched it at an IMAX. Talk about cool! Too bad its not out on DLP or I would have driven to Plano for that...DLP knocks the shit out of any other format out there right now! DLP is cool - saw Attack of Clones there, however, there is a warmness missing from DLP that you only seem to get from film - I wish Lucas hadn't convinced Spielburg to do Indy 4 on DLP. Still, I will go see Matrix on IMAX tonight and let you know how much they chopped from the film so it could fit the 2 hour IMAX limitation. Dave, the movie was 2 hours and 9 minutes long - even for a wrap up movie, that was too long to go without more story - for a wrap up movie they wrapped up two things - the Smith line, and bringing Peace to the Matrix. That leaves EVERYTHING else to be answered. There was a lot in the movie that was pointless, such as the trainman, the train station, going to Hell. (I still think the Rave scene should have been cut from Reloaded and the Osiris story line should have been put in the movie instead). I was one of those people that didn't think Reloaded was bad since it was "the setup movie, the middle movie".....if they had spiked the ball they setup in Reloaded, then I would have LOVED Revolutions. Instead, they do almost nothing with the characters introduced in the 2nd movie, spend more time with characters introduced in a lousy video game (trainman, the indian-programs, Sati), and leave you feeling like this movie was a setup for a TV show or something like that. As an action movie, I loved it. Outside of that, I was dissapointed._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #55 November 7, 2003 Quotelet you know how much they chopped from the film so it could fit the 2 hour IMAX limitation. I didn't know that! Hmmmm...now I'm trying to remember if I looked at my watch and what it said when we got up from the movie. Yeah, tell me if anything was cut out. As for your opinion vs mine...well, that's why we have forums like this. Opnions are different.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #56 November 7, 2003 QuoteLOL! yup... "kiss me baby one more time..." -trinity what a terrible way to wrap up such a strong character...._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #57 November 7, 2003 Quotewhat a terrible way to wrap up such a strong character.... Yup...a classic CHEESY soap opera, I mean, look what happened to her, and what happened to Neo, if there is another Matrix, what's next? Morpheus has a car accident and ends up in a wheelchair and the Oracle develops a brain tumor for prophesizing too much?. Terrible way to wrap a strong character you say?...NO....what a way to FUCK UP a cool movie.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #58 November 7, 2003 See, I like what happened to Trinity because it fullfills what Neo was told before (in Reloaded) about saving Zion vs. saving Trinity. He needed her to go with him to get to the machine city, because he chose to let her go with him, he did not save her. I actually thought Morpheus would die because I thought one of the main characters had to die, but I didn't think they'd kill off Trinity (of course, had i thought about it it makes perfect sense that she dies on the trip because Neo has to be alone when he confronts the machines, being the one and all). BTW, when watching the ship go through the clouds and come up into the clear sky, did anyone else think DOOOOOOOOOOOR!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #59 November 7, 2003 QuoteBTW, when watching the ship go through the clouds and come up into the clear sky, did anyone else think DOOOOOOOOOOOR!!! Actually, I was spotting __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinker 0 #60 November 7, 2003 LOL!!! EXACTLY!!!! -the artist formerly known as sinker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #61 November 7, 2003 I have to admit that I was somewhat disappointed, although my disppointment was the result of very high expectations. It was still a really good movie - I just expected it to be great like the first one. I was disappointed that they seemed to have confused and/or lost some of the mythological references set up in the second movie. I was also a little confused as to how the little girl was able to make the color blue appear inside the Matrix. Maybe someone more familiar with the video game can help me out here. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamT 0 #62 November 7, 2003 Yeah, but above that i thought why didn't all these stupid robots make air ships and send them up there for power, duh. Maybe they are afraid of hights. ***SPOILER*** The ending friggen blows in my opinion. All that setup, all that drama, all the over the top speaches about this being the deciding times, the war will be ended, minds freed, blah, blah, blah. And it ends in a fucking truce. A vague truce at that. They spen over half the movie yaking the asses off about shit that didn't really matter, saying the same shit over and over and over. And they don't even explain what is going to actually happen in the end. As far as i can tell the matrix is still intact the machines are going to live as they always have the just arn't goint to destroy zion for a while. Some victory. If they try to make more movies im going to be so fucking pissed. /end rant The zion battle kicked ass though. EDIT: Thought of more stuff to rant about, Thinking back to the first movie it really didn't seem like it was supposed to be a trilogy. Remeber Neo's speach at the end. "Im going to show these people something you don't want them to see, im going to show them a world without you, blab,blah,blah" Then the matrix locks up. How does that fit into the story for the next two. They don't give any attention to freeing anybody. At least i know The Return of The King has a conclusion. And if the try to get creative with that i will hurl my self through the screen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #63 November 7, 2003 Been doing some thinking on this movie today since I may go see it again tonight. EDIT TO ADD _---MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW--- Some thoughts: They have a MMORPG (Massive Multi-Player Online Roll Playing Game) coming out that takes place after Revolutions in the matrix. WB has a successful franchise on their hands, why would they let it come to a full end? In Reloaded the elder spokesman took Neo to the basement and showed him that we needed machines to survive, much like they needed us to survive. That is why Neo asked for a truce, not the end of the Matrix - they needed to find balance. Which, if you go back to AniMatrix a truce or balance would have prevented The Matrix. The Machines couldn't punch thru the clouds and harvest the sun due to the lightning storms that would disable them (but not the Logos?). Agent Smith spent the entire movie making fun of, and removing any need of philosophy, deeper meaning, etc. Did the W Brothers pull a fast one on all the fan boys and the world? Think about what Smith said in that pit? "Why, Mr Anderson, WHY? Because of Love? Faith, etc...." Or in the kitchen how over the top he went mocking the Oracle. They mocked the fake depth they added to the series in Reloaded. The ending finally dawned on me - what the Oracle said to the Architect. "What about the ones that want to leave?" In other words, they have a choice now, or at least the illusion of choice, which is what she wanted all along. If you think about it - if humans are given a choice of the Matrix or The Real World, there wouldn't be a need to reset the Matrix all the time, humanity would embrace the fake world. Thus helping bring it all to a balance._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #64 November 7, 2003 Well thanks, now I know how it ends. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #65 November 7, 2003 QuoteWell thanks, now I know how it ends. Don't feel bad...when I went to see it I was always asking to myself: "When this shit is going to end?" __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamT 0 #66 November 7, 2003 I wasn't sure if the she was talking about humans or programs being free to leave. I wonder how they would go about making the people in the matrix aware of a choice. I think telling them that there world is fake and they can choose to stay or go would cause enough chaos to destroy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #67 November 7, 2003 Quotedisable them (but not the Logos?). It did disable it sort of, they barely got it restarted...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #68 November 7, 2003 ...and then on the way down it didn't have any power at all. Good thing none of the people in those ships have pacemakers...those EMP thingies probably wouldnt be too good for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #69 November 7, 2003 Quote...and then on the way down it didn't have any power at all. Good thing none of the people in those ships have pacemakers...those EMP thingies probably wouldnt be too good for them. Ah, forgot about that - it was so loud that I couldn't hear what Neo was saying at that point._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #70 November 7, 2003 Something I just read on a message board... interesting... Regarding Satti, actually, she isn't a program, she is human. if you paid attention to the movie, Ramakadjah, stated that she was his daughter, meaning that she was born. Therefore, the prophecy was fulfilled, a human was born in the matrix and is able to control it and shape it to the way that she wants it now. The Oracle knew that this was how it was going to end, so she made her choices based on the outcome that she forsaw. Satti is the prophecy and now that she controls the matrix, there is going to be peace, because she understands love. That is why at the end of the movie, the Oracle asked Satti if she made the sunrise and she said that she did it for Neo. The prophecy stated that a human would be born inside the matrix and was able to control it and shape it the way he wanted, when he died, the prophecy foretold that there would be another. The Oracle used Neo as the balance of Smith so that Satti would be protected. Satti is the true One and now there will be peace because the people of Zion were left alive. The other people in the Matrix will be freed because that is what the Oracle wants and Satti loves the Oracle. Neo did die, the code inside of him was assimilated by the machines to set everything right in the Matrix so that they wouldn't lose everyone. The real world will be different now, because the machine's understand love now. Neo sacrificed himself because of love. Therefore, that is inserted into his code. There will be peace with man and machine now. That is why 01 didn't destroy Zion because it knew that when Neo died after taking out Smith, that they would be able to use him to understand what love really is. I don't know if it's right.... but it makes an interesting point about the little girl. I'll be watching the movie again this weekend to see if it fits in. Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #71 November 8, 2003 What I'm guessing is that with names such as Ramakadjah and Sati, the Matrix will be soon known as 7-11. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #72 November 8, 2003 can I interest you in a Slushi? - Apu Blue skies IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #73 November 8, 2003 Interesting: sut·tee also sa·ti ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-t, st) n. The now illegal act or practice of a Hindu widow's cremating herself on her husband's funeral pyre in order to fulfill her true role as wife. pl. sut·tees, also sa·tis A widow who commits such an act. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Sanskrit sat, virtuous woman, suttee, from feminine present participle of asti, s-, she is, is true. See es- in Indo-European Roots.] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #74 November 8, 2003 QuoteQuoteThanx for the review, but seriously what are the chances of any other movie being better than the 1st???? Superman II was better than the first one , Star Wars II was better than the first one , should I go on? back to the future 2 was better than the first one :) i find its usually the second one that is the best... .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #75 November 13, 2003 LOL everyone keeps talking about the ending.... Sure it was a little dissapointing b/c the main/strong characters die. etc.etc its just a reload of the matrix; a matrix 6.0, if you will. after the virus (smith) was cleaned up and the mathmatical equation (neo) equalled itself out the matrix reloaded all the programs. (I didnt see the animatrix etc, jsut the 3 movies) the part where the oracle and the architech are talking at the end..."of course theyll be freed" etc etc wasnt paradise the first version of the matrix? the human condition wouldnt accept for paradise correct? so the end was just the beginning all over again!(from my understanding) I dont have time to get fully into all the things i saw etc.. but the jesus christ symbology...yes it was there but if thats all you saw then you are probly missing a few things. as far as THAT and the greek myth and the Alice in wonderland etc etc.....they are ALL the same story told with different chahcrters... basic good vrs evil stuff. just about any good vs evil stuff you will see a god reference/symbolism etc. most BELIEFs revolve around the same theory; good vrs evil. its hard not to have those refernces input. .anyway , I liked it. it was a lot different then the 1st and 2nd but it was the "revolution" to the story is in Quote2 a : a sudden, radical, or complete change b : a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm e : a changeover in use or preference especially in technology My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
