holie 0 #1 April 20, 2011 Dear all of you ;-) does anyone of you have a document from PISA / Zodiac SA / ... telling me the lifetime for an tempo reserve? Anyone told me there is an 3 year old document which tells 20 Years. ??? regards Holger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #2 April 20, 2011 I have never seen anything from PISA limiting the life on Tempo reserves ... or any other parachute equipment made by PISA. These days, PISA mainly builds military parachutes as a subsidiary of Parachutes de France/ Zodiac Group. My guess is that Tempos will last as long as most other reserves: roughly 20 years, 20 jumps or 40 repacks. After that they should be tested for porosity, tensile strength, etc. After 20 years, most other manufacturers will be building much better reserves and Tempos will be considered obsolete. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #3 April 21, 2011 Hey Holger, In Belgium (with Belgian insurance) your reserve is not airworthy anymore after 20 years. In the Netherlands it was 25 years, but I do not know if they have changed this. I do not know the German rules if you have a german insurance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holie 0 #4 April 21, 2011 Hey Jurgen, thanks for your answer. No problem with the german rules but what about the french or swiss ;-) I'll change the question to point out my background better ... Who / which company does give tech support for the PISA (tempo) things? regards Holger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #5 April 21, 2011 in any case, do you think it is a good idea to have as a last line of defense a 20year old reserve ? swiss rules are : QuoteRS Tempo Res. 120, 150, 175, 210, 230 .041.022-026 26.11.08 1 Jahr 20 Jahre from http://www.swissskydive.org/cms/upload/Material/Manufacturers_guidelines_2010.pdfscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jurgencamps 0 #6 April 21, 2011 Aerodyne? Didn't they take over the non-military division of Pisa? Or try: http://www.pisa.co.za/ BTW I tought you were Holger, a German Jumper at my DZ. That's the reason why I mentionned the Belgian rules. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #7 April 21, 2011 Quotein any case, do you think it is a good idea to have as a last line of defense a 20year old reserve ? swiss rules are : QuoteRS Tempo Res. 120, 150, 175, 210, 230 .041.022-026 26.11.08 1 Jahr 20 Jahre from http://www.swissskydive.org/cms/upload/Material/Manufacturers_guidelines_2010.pdf Interesting! But I wonder about the accuracy of those recommendations. (Are they mandatory in Switzerland?) After all, it shows a lot of US reserves (& rigs) as requiring repacks every 120 days. Which it might say in an old manual, or of a company that no longer exists. But in 100% of the cases, when the FAA went to a 180 day repack cycle, all the companies followed. And even the FAA wouldn't prohibit someone from repacking a discontinued company's reserve at a 180 day cycle. That document just parrots what's on paper without looking at what is considered legal practice. The only Tempo manual I can find online is a grainy scan of a fax. Hard to tell, but I don't see any 20 year limit in it. Hey, if there are countries selling 20 year old reserves cheap, I'm interested! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #8 April 21, 2011 it is not up to date, one of the things I am fighting for/against...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #9 April 21, 2011 There shouldn't be any such limit. It should ALWAYS be a determination of the inspecting and packing rigger to determine airworthiness.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holie 0 #10 April 28, 2011 Quote Quote in any case, do you think it is a good idea to have as a last line of defense a 20year old reserve ? swiss rules are : Quote RS Tempo Res. 120, 150, 175, 210, 230 .041.022-026 26.11.08 1 Jahr 20 Jahre from http://www.swissskydive.org/cms/upload/Material/Manufacturers_guidelines_2010.pdf Interesting! But I wonder about the accuracy of those recommendations. (Are they mandatory in Switzerland?) After all, it shows a lot of US reserves (& rigs) as requiring repacks every 120 days. Which it might say in an old manual, or of a company that no longer exists. But in 100% of the cases, when the FAA went to a 180 day repack cycle, all the companies followed. And even the FAA wouldn't prohibit someone from repacking a discontinued company's reserve at a 180 day cycle. That document just parrots what's on paper without looking at what is considered legal practice. The only Tempo manual I can find online is a grainy scan of a fax. Hard to tell, but I don't see any 20 year limit in it. Hey, if there are countries selling 20 year old reserves cheap, I'm interested! ... the best about this is - it's the German document, they use ... thanx to all, Holger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
