BASE813 0 #1 November 14, 2003 I have been speaking to a friend who is about to take a FJC and he is surprised at the reaction to his decision (a very well informed and 2 year researched thought) from skydivers. He works at a DZ and he is astounded at the "biting negativity" he has got from experienced and non experienced skydivers. This brought back memories of the shit i went through from both skydivers and my family (another story) and then I remember other jumpers went through the same deal when they started to persue low altitude parachute deployment science....... so i would like to know from you the skydiving community - why you think that at the start of our journey we get negative treatment from what we would consider "we are all parachutists in the end" - but people who had no problem with us as skydivers but then their attitudes seem to change when we decide to go for "a low profile"............ just curious as my friend is getting really fucked off with this "small minded" treatment he is getting off people............ why is that???????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casie 0 #2 November 14, 2003 I don't have a problem with BASE jumpers at all! I think it's AWESOME what they can do and I respect them for it......as long as they're safe about it!~Porn Kitty WARNING: Goldschlager causes extreme emotional outbursts! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #3 November 14, 2003 I actually havent heard much negative stuff at all. If I do it usually is from the late 30-40yr old crowd...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 November 14, 2003 I wouldn't do it. But, I'm not going to stop someone else from doing it, provided they take the risks into account. I admire what they can do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #5 November 14, 2003 I think they look kind of funny walking around with thier testicles clanging together like a couple of 50 pound ball bearings in a marble sack. Other than that I would like to, one day in the future.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #6 November 14, 2003 why would you want o jump off a perfectly good structure just kidding hope to try base jumping sometime soon------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lioness 0 #7 November 14, 2003 I don't hear much negativity about BASE... unless like BASE813 said, it's coming from the older crowd. The low time jumpers will usually say something like "Seems a bit crazy... don't think I will ever do it". But these are also the same people that like to do ground crew and watch. The other newbies will just say "yah, maybe one day". Sorry your friend is encountering such small minded people. ______________________________________ Be glad of life, because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look up at the stars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mfrese 0 #8 November 14, 2003 Oddly enough, several of the BASE jumpers I know are in the 40-50+ crowd, and nobody seems to give them much shit Maybe because we have so many in NorCal, but there is definitely no attitude here. We watch a lot of skydiving video after the beer light is on, and usually we catch some of the latest BASE exploits at the same time, so it's more of a "holy shit that looks low!" attitude than telling them they're crazy or giving them a hard time. Funny...when I started skydiving, I swore I'd never do a hook turn, and now I'm swooping almost every jump. When I got to be a more experienced skydiver, I swore I'd never get a tandem rating, and now I've got over 500 tandems. When I got my tandem rating, I swore I'd never do a BASE jump...so maybe I need to fill in the blank soon, eh? Iceman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJatLarge 0 #9 November 14, 2003 If they wanna jump off a bridge or whatever, fine with me. I'm not gonna try to stop them. Not for me though, I gotta love that freefall!! Flip, flop, & flail wildly for as long as you can!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #10 November 14, 2003 I respect BASE jumpers prolly more than I do reg. skydivers. Lets face it, you have to have much bigger balls for it. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #11 November 14, 2003 ok so its cool you say you respect etc - but anyone have a theory on why we would get shit.........??? thanks for your thoughts!! appreciate it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 November 14, 2003 >Lets face it, you have to have much bigger balls for it. No you don't... It takes bigger balls to walk down from a jump then it does to make the jump. Anyone can leap from a structure and open a parachute, it takes skill and knowledge to know when is not a good idea to make the jump and it takes more "balls" to walk away from it. I know some real idiots that BASE, but I know more and bigger idiots that skydive.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #13 November 14, 2003 ive got shit,but its also a old minded dz im from... wondering if thats the reason BASE jumpes tends to drop down at skydive activity?? Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #14 November 14, 2003 Quote No you don't... It takes bigger balls to walk down from a jump then it does to make the jump. Anyone can leap from a structure and open a parachute, it takes skill and knowledge to know when is not a good idea to make the jump and it takes more "balls" to walk away from it. WELL SAID!!!!! Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #15 November 14, 2003 Just because we're skydivers doesn't mean we're not "whuffos" to the base jumping world! I don't fully understand why people want to base jump since I've never done it myself (although, my balloon jumps get me very interested in trying it out one of these years....) I don't fully understand why someone would take such a huge risk for such a short amount of time of fun. I understand it to a point....I'm willing to accept the risk associated with skydiving for just 70 seconds of fun. However, the risks in base jumping are so much higher. There seems to be (once again, I am a whuffo to it) so many more things that can go wrong. So, my guess is that some people interpret the higher risk to meaning certain death. Plus, since many base jumps are done in less legal ways, many people cannot understand that part of it either. Even amongst a rowdy crowd of skydivers exist people who will not break the law for fun. That being said, I'm all for people trying out base jumping if they want to and if they researched it enough. If someone has gone to great lengths to try to minimize their risk, I don't see them as too crazy If someone has gone out and basically done Tom's "to do" list (I think that's the list I saw....it included things like # of crew jumps you should do beforehand...etc etc) then more power to you.There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #16 November 14, 2003 I think people have a knee-jerk tendency to label as idiots those who make different personal choices with regard to acceptable risks. I know people who ride motorcycles who think anyone who rides without a helmet is an idiot, and I know motrocycle riders who ride without one. Some of my non-jumping friends think I am an idiot for skydiving, and there are lots of modern skydivers who would say that people who routinely pull low are idiots. All that said, BASE jumpers have a different risk tolerance than skydivers, so I guess it is human nature for some skydivers to think that they are "wrong" for that. For my part, I think BASE is pretty cool, and I am glad you guys are enjoying it. If I ever find myself on top of antenna with a BASE rig, I'll probably wait for the fire department to fish me down, though. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #17 November 14, 2003 First of all, i think base jumping is cool as shit and i will do it someday at an fjc with experienced people, etc. MAYBE, why some give base jumpers shit is because it IS illegal most places, and when something bad happens it reflects negatively on skydivers. Whuffo's and the media don't always separate the diciplines. That is the only reason i could think of. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #18 November 14, 2003 Quote trying out base jumping i dont think its something just to "try out" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #19 November 14, 2003 Quote i dont think its something just to "try out" It's something that I would do once. Hopefully, I would live after that one time. That's all I really want. So, "trying out" is more of a "want to do it to see what's it like, but I would never be able to keep up with it for so many reasons."There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #20 November 14, 2003 I AGREE.. KNOW WHEN TO HOLD EM KNOW WHEN TO FOLD EM KNOW WHEN TO WALK AWAY KNOW WHEN TO RUNLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lolie 0 #21 November 14, 2003 Quote I think people have a knee-jerk tendency to label as idiots those who make different personal choices with regard to acceptable risks. I think this is a big part of it. From other conversations I've had, lack of desire to do it themselves and lack of understanding of the BASE jumper's motivation seem to play a role (i.e. if a skydiver doesn't want to BASE jump, he or she thinks everyone that does is just trying to be a big-shot or is out to prove something. Albeit, maybe some BASE jumpers are; who am I to judge? ) -Miranda you shall above all things be glad and young / For if you're young,whatever life you wear it will become you;and if you are glad / whatever's living will yourself become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base515 0 #22 November 14, 2003 Skydivers don't like it, for the same reason, whuffos don't like skydiving. They are afraid of what it represents. Freedom. Freedom to go a little closer to the edge, Freedom to live in the moment, Freedom to do what the meek will not. Freedom to risk it all for nothing more than a thrill. It's always irritated me, to be treated by skydivers the same way as they are treated by the rest of the world. "You're crazy..You're stupid..What if your chute fails?...What if this? what if that?... on and on.. I quit jumping at my local dz because the dzo is anti-Base. No packing allowed in the hanger, no videos.. We might give the wrong impression to students. What a joke! I love Skydiving, I love BASEjumping. I used to be a skydiver who also Basejumped. Now I'm a Basejumper who happens to also skydive. May we live long and die out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #23 November 14, 2003 couldnt be said better Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASE813 0 #24 November 14, 2003 Quote Skydivers don't like it, for the same reason, whuffos don't like skydiving. They are afraid of what it represents. Freedom. Freedom to go a little closer to the edge, Freedom to live in the moment, Freedom to do what the meek will not. Freedom to risk it all for nothing more than a thrill. It's always irritated me, to be treated by skydivers the same way as they are treated by the rest of the world. "You're crazy..You're stupid..What if your chute fails?...What if this? what if that?... on and on.. I quit jumping at my local dz because the dzo is anti-Base. No packing allowed in the hanger, no videos.. We might give the wrong impression to students. What a joke! I love Skydiving, I love BASEjumping. I used to be a skydiver who also Basejumped. Now I'm a Basejumper who happens to also skydive. nail hit on the proverbial head!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #25 November 14, 2003 I think base jumping is an awesome sport. I can only imagine the adrenaline rush you must get jumping from a low structure. I think it is odd that not all skydivers feel this way. I mean, for me, getting into skydiving was a way to get an awesome rush. That would be the same motivation for me *when* I eventually get into base jumping. When I was hanging with some base jumpers at one point, some people said things like "oh, no... stay away from those guys... now she's gonna want to start base jumping" haha. Funny, I heard the same thing from the RW crowd when I started talking to the freeflyers. :D I suppose that some people can't accept that others base jump because it is a very high risk sport. Others love it for that very reason. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
