samhussey 0 #26 November 16, 2003 Huh? I thought we were the barbarian masses Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #27 November 16, 2003 QuoteThe 5 Basic Rules of Conservative Blather: I think you have Liberal and Conservative mixed up. some examples Quote 1) What the public doesn't know, I'm not going to tell them The dumbing down of public schools by the left. Quote2) Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up! good examples are tree huggers, (they helped cause the burning of California this summer), NOW (Jane and Johny does not need a father), NAACP (Affirmative action is fair) Quote3) If you can't attack the data, attack the people! look at the nine candidates from the dems. Quote4) Do your research by proclamation, investigation is too much trouble. Can you say global warming! Quote5) Whatever Rush, Savage, Fox News, or a defunct conservative rag (Union) says I will accept as gospel and regurgitate as "Undeniable Truths." look at Dan Rather, Cnn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #28 November 16, 2003 QuoteThen again, I'm gladder that I haven't been brainwashed into repeating things ripped off and regurgitated by a big, fat, idiot masquerading as the voice of conservatism with "talent on loan from God". Talk about pretentious and blasphemous. And as we all learned in high-school, calling someone names is the best way to discredit them. Come on Quade, I expected better from you. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,143 #29 November 16, 2003 Quote Quote2) Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up! good examples are tree huggers, (they helped cause the burning of California this summer), NOW (Jane and Johny does not need a father), NAACP (Affirmative action is fair) Have you ever gone back and counted the times you have started a thread on DZ.com with a "quote" from a right wing source that, after minimal investigation, turned out to be a hoax or completely bogus? Your track record is dismal. If I had a record like yours of being publicly duped, I would start to question my sources much more carefully before posting anything. The more troubling thing is that these right wing sources continue to put out such drivel. The only reason I can think of that they do this is that there are many people out there gullible enough to believe it and too lazy to question it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #30 November 16, 2003 Quote QuoteThen again, I'm gladder that I haven't been brainwashed into repeating things ripped off and regurgitated by a big, fat, idiot masquerading as the voice of conservatism with "talent on loan from God". Talk about pretentious and blasphemous. And as we all learned in high-school, calling someone names is the best way to discredit them. Come on Quade, I expected better from you. - Jim See rule #3 above. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #31 November 16, 2003 Well the "big, fat, idiot" part of my diatribe is a "tribute" to Mr. Limbaugh's use of the ad hominim attacks he so frequently uses himself. Yes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. All of the rest of the stuff is, however valid.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #32 November 16, 2003 Eight months later I'm still lmfao at "Paul Potts". I'm sure not all right-wingers are ignorant and narrow minded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #33 November 16, 2003 QuoteYes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. Youn are bad but please respond to: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #34 November 16, 2003 *** The more troubling thing is that these right wing sources continue to put out such drivel. The only reason I can think of that they do this is that there are many people out there gullible enough to believe it and too lazy to question it. __________________________________________________ If you substitute "left" for "right", this statement described me perfectly up until about 10 years ago. I believed every liberal lie I heard. Then one day I started paying attention. Since then, I got a real job, bought 2 houses, earned many promotions, and have plenty of money to do shit like skydive without having to worry about feeding or clothing my family. Back when I believed the liberal drivel, all I cared about was where my next bag of weed was coming from. I can't (and don't want to) imagine where I'd be if I hadn't opened my mind to new ideas. The funny thing is, back then I was totally convinced I was "enlightened" and "open minded" and that all conservatives were idiots who just didn't "get it". My, how things change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #35 November 16, 2003 Quotebut please respond to: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Well depends. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries; they have”welfare” systems that Americans would call "semi-socialism". Taxes (both direct and indirect) are very high. When I used to live there I paid nearly 70% marginal tax, 25% sales tax (VAT) and a lot of luxury taxes on individual items like cars, gas, alcohol etc. However, these countries have a very strong economy, high GDP with the "middle income" families very well off. All education is very good and free, health care is good and free, un-employment benefits are very high and un-employment low. Everybody gets a pension etc. etc. I did not like the system because I felt it was taking too much freedom of choice away and was punishing higher income earners without kids (who could not take advantage of the “freebies”) - but again these are prosperous societies. Check out some available stats on e.g. Denmark and Sweden. So your statement is not the "undeniable truth". In general things are more complicated then what can be boiled down one-sentence statements. It is the over simplification of facts and opinions that lead to extremism. One of the reasons we have Al Qaeda is that some muslims have a very simple "black and white" view of the world and lack tolerance. Same problem with the extreme right in the US.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #36 November 16, 2003 *** One of the reasons we have Al Qaeda is that these people have a very simple "black and white" view of the world and lack tolerance. _______________________________________________ Ok, call me simple, but I lack tolerance for people who want to blow me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,143 #37 November 17, 2003 Quote*** The more troubling thing is that these right wing sources continue to put out such drivel. The only reason I can think of that they do this is that there are many people out there gullible enough to believe it and too lazy to question it. __________________________________________________ If you substitute "left" for "right", this statement described me perfectly up until about 10 years ago. I believed every liberal lie I heard. Then one day I started paying attention. Since then, I got a real job, bought 2 houses, earned many promotions, and have plenty of money to do shit like skydive without having to worry about feeding or clothing my family. Back when I believed the liberal drivel, all I cared about was where my next bag of weed was coming from. I can't (and don't want to) imagine where I'd be if I hadn't opened my mind to new ideas. The funny thing is, back then I was totally convinced I was "enlightened" and "open minded" and that all conservatives were idiots who just didn't "get it". My, how things change. I don't know why you think such information could possibly be relevant, but since you do: I have bought a house and an airplane (for cash), paid off my mortgage, have put 4 kids through college, have no debt at all, and have plenty of money to skydive. I even got through college myself without using weed. SO WHAT? Here's a challenge for you. Go through threads started this year on DZ.com by supporters of the Right, and see what % turn out to be based on bogus information or stuff that turns out to be a hoax. Then do the same for threads started by supporters of the Left. Then come back and tell me who's gullible.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #38 November 17, 2003 QuoteWell the "big, fat, idiot" part of my diatribe is a "tribute" to Mr. Limbaugh's use of the ad hominim attacks he so frequently uses himself. Yes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. Rush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade, so "stooping" to his level might be the wrong direction to take. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #39 November 17, 2003 Ahhhhh Kallend. The man is using his life experiences as a backdrop to his evolution from liberal to conservative. I rather liked his post. With regards to hoaxes, I think you'd find that 'tis left wingers that are the masters of the hoax. They lie to both themselves and their constituents with great frequency.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #40 November 17, 2003 A collective crock of shit. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #41 November 17, 2003 An example of a lie from a leftie: Hillary Clinton on the Today Show during the Monica Lewinsky scandal: "I believe it is all part of a right wing conspiracy." Maybe she believed it, but it was her husband who was doing the lieing, and he let his wife go on national television and make a fool of herself. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripper0289 0 #42 November 17, 2003 I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Really. Anyone got her number? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #43 November 17, 2003 And ofcourse we all know this was perjury and led to his impeachment. In case anyone doesn't know what perjury means, it is lieing under oath. Hard to believe, a leftie lieing. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #44 November 17, 2003 QuoteRush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade . . . You assume facts about something that has never been nor probably ever will be tested. I doubt Mr. Limbaugh would ever agree to a fair public debate. To date, I believe he rarely has.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #45 November 17, 2003 ***QuoteWell the "big, fat, idiot" part of my diatribe is a "tribute" to Mr. Limbaugh's use of the ad hominim attacks he so frequently uses himself. Yes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. All of the rest of the stuff is, however valid.*** Wrong............ Rush isn't fat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TaeKwonDoDo 0 #46 November 17, 2003 Quote Well depends. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries; they have”welfare” systems that Americans would call "semi-socialism". Taxes (both direct and indirect) are very high. When I used to live there I paid nearly 70% marginal tax, 25% sales tax (VAT) and a lot of luxury taxes on individual items like cars, gas, alcohol etc. However, these countries have a very strong economy, high GDP with the "middle income" families very well off. All education is very good and free, health care is good and free, un-employment benefits are very high and un-employment low. Everybody gets a pension etc. etc. You mention Denmark and Sweeden - meanwhile the Most expensive city in the World this year was Oslo, in Norway - and I have been doing a lot of business in Oslo and traveling there quite often. When my business compatriots there explain the "how" of why they can provide these services, it is because this is one country freakin RICH in Oil drilled off of their coast-line and what is not spent abroad is invested in things like free education and free healthcare. And while the guys I've met there are realtively sharp (if this represents their education system) one of them hurt his back and was in bed for 6 weeks while he awaited his turn in-line at the local medical facility to fix him up. And even in this environment, I still saw homeless people downtown pushing carts. And - these guys weren't happy at all about their high-rate of taxes - but accept it just because they have no other choices. Lastly - and my friends largest concern, is that the cost of doing business there is preventing significant business investment there in the tech and bio-medical industry. Jobs and companies are either moving to the cheaper part of the EU, or companies rejecting out-of-hand the thought of even moving any sites there due to the taxes, cost and expense (Did I just describe California too?). - Jeff "That's not flying, it's falling with style." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #47 November 17, 2003 Yup, did not mentioned Norway as the Oil thing makes it a somewhat different scenario compared to the other countries in Scandinavia. I did not like the "system" when living in Scandinavia - and I do not endorse it, as there are a number of negatives with this type of society. However, people there are in average more or less happy with the "high tax - high welfare" system and the countries are wealthy. Just used it as an example to illustrate that the "truths" are far too simplistic....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #48 November 17, 2003 >Rush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade . . . So could Noam Chomsky. Doesn't make either of their worldviews any more valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #49 November 17, 2003 > An example of a lie from a leftie: "You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, 'Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons.' They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. "And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them." -GWB, 5/31/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,100 #50 November 17, 2003 >When my business compatriots there explain the "how" of why they can > provide these services, it is because this is one country freakin RICH in >Oil drilled off of their coast-line . . . Norway oil production: 3.1 million barrels per day (2001) US oil production: 5.8 million barrels per day (1999) >and what is not spent abroad is invested in things like free education >and free healthcare. Yep. Seems to work for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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bodypilot90 0 #33 November 16, 2003 QuoteYes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. Youn are bad but please respond to: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #34 November 16, 2003 *** The more troubling thing is that these right wing sources continue to put out such drivel. The only reason I can think of that they do this is that there are many people out there gullible enough to believe it and too lazy to question it. __________________________________________________ If you substitute "left" for "right", this statement described me perfectly up until about 10 years ago. I believed every liberal lie I heard. Then one day I started paying attention. Since then, I got a real job, bought 2 houses, earned many promotions, and have plenty of money to do shit like skydive without having to worry about feeding or clothing my family. Back when I believed the liberal drivel, all I cared about was where my next bag of weed was coming from. I can't (and don't want to) imagine where I'd be if I hadn't opened my mind to new ideas. The funny thing is, back then I was totally convinced I was "enlightened" and "open minded" and that all conservatives were idiots who just didn't "get it". My, how things change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #35 November 16, 2003 Quotebut please respond to: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Well depends. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries; they have”welfare” systems that Americans would call "semi-socialism". Taxes (both direct and indirect) are very high. When I used to live there I paid nearly 70% marginal tax, 25% sales tax (VAT) and a lot of luxury taxes on individual items like cars, gas, alcohol etc. However, these countries have a very strong economy, high GDP with the "middle income" families very well off. All education is very good and free, health care is good and free, un-employment benefits are very high and un-employment low. Everybody gets a pension etc. etc. I did not like the system because I felt it was taking too much freedom of choice away and was punishing higher income earners without kids (who could not take advantage of the “freebies”) - but again these are prosperous societies. Check out some available stats on e.g. Denmark and Sweden. So your statement is not the "undeniable truth". In general things are more complicated then what can be boiled down one-sentence statements. It is the over simplification of facts and opinions that lead to extremism. One of the reasons we have Al Qaeda is that some muslims have a very simple "black and white" view of the world and lack tolerance. Same problem with the extreme right in the US.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #36 November 16, 2003 *** One of the reasons we have Al Qaeda is that these people have a very simple "black and white" view of the world and lack tolerance. _______________________________________________ Ok, call me simple, but I lack tolerance for people who want to blow me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,143 #37 November 17, 2003 Quote*** The more troubling thing is that these right wing sources continue to put out such drivel. The only reason I can think of that they do this is that there are many people out there gullible enough to believe it and too lazy to question it. __________________________________________________ If you substitute "left" for "right", this statement described me perfectly up until about 10 years ago. I believed every liberal lie I heard. Then one day I started paying attention. Since then, I got a real job, bought 2 houses, earned many promotions, and have plenty of money to do shit like skydive without having to worry about feeding or clothing my family. Back when I believed the liberal drivel, all I cared about was where my next bag of weed was coming from. I can't (and don't want to) imagine where I'd be if I hadn't opened my mind to new ideas. The funny thing is, back then I was totally convinced I was "enlightened" and "open minded" and that all conservatives were idiots who just didn't "get it". My, how things change. I don't know why you think such information could possibly be relevant, but since you do: I have bought a house and an airplane (for cash), paid off my mortgage, have put 4 kids through college, have no debt at all, and have plenty of money to skydive. I even got through college myself without using weed. SO WHAT? Here's a challenge for you. Go through threads started this year on DZ.com by supporters of the Right, and see what % turn out to be based on bogus information or stuff that turns out to be a hoax. Then do the same for threads started by supporters of the Left. Then come back and tell me who's gullible.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #38 November 17, 2003 QuoteWell the "big, fat, idiot" part of my diatribe is a "tribute" to Mr. Limbaugh's use of the ad hominim attacks he so frequently uses himself. Yes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. Rush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade, so "stooping" to his level might be the wrong direction to take. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #39 November 17, 2003 Ahhhhh Kallend. The man is using his life experiences as a backdrop to his evolution from liberal to conservative. I rather liked his post. With regards to hoaxes, I think you'd find that 'tis left wingers that are the masters of the hoax. They lie to both themselves and their constituents with great frequency.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #40 November 17, 2003 A collective crock of shit. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #41 November 17, 2003 An example of a lie from a leftie: Hillary Clinton on the Today Show during the Monica Lewinsky scandal: "I believe it is all part of a right wing conspiracy." Maybe she believed it, but it was her husband who was doing the lieing, and he let his wife go on national television and make a fool of herself. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripper0289 0 #42 November 17, 2003 I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Really. Anyone got her number? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #43 November 17, 2003 And ofcourse we all know this was perjury and led to his impeachment. In case anyone doesn't know what perjury means, it is lieing under oath. Hard to believe, a leftie lieing. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #44 November 17, 2003 QuoteRush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade . . . You assume facts about something that has never been nor probably ever will be tested. I doubt Mr. Limbaugh would ever agree to a fair public debate. To date, I believe he rarely has.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 November 17, 2003 ***QuoteWell the "big, fat, idiot" part of my diatribe is a "tribute" to Mr. Limbaugh's use of the ad hominim attacks he so frequently uses himself. Yes, I stooped to his level and I am ashamed of myself. Bad me, bad. All of the rest of the stuff is, however valid.*** Wrong............ Rush isn't fat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaeKwonDoDo 0 #46 November 17, 2003 Quote Well depends. Take a look at the Scandinavian countries; they have”welfare” systems that Americans would call "semi-socialism". Taxes (both direct and indirect) are very high. When I used to live there I paid nearly 70% marginal tax, 25% sales tax (VAT) and a lot of luxury taxes on individual items like cars, gas, alcohol etc. However, these countries have a very strong economy, high GDP with the "middle income" families very well off. All education is very good and free, health care is good and free, un-employment benefits are very high and un-employment low. Everybody gets a pension etc. etc. You mention Denmark and Sweeden - meanwhile the Most expensive city in the World this year was Oslo, in Norway - and I have been doing a lot of business in Oslo and traveling there quite often. When my business compatriots there explain the "how" of why they can provide these services, it is because this is one country freakin RICH in Oil drilled off of their coast-line and what is not spent abroad is invested in things like free education and free healthcare. And while the guys I've met there are realtively sharp (if this represents their education system) one of them hurt his back and was in bed for 6 weeks while he awaited his turn in-line at the local medical facility to fix him up. And even in this environment, I still saw homeless people downtown pushing carts. And - these guys weren't happy at all about their high-rate of taxes - but accept it just because they have no other choices. Lastly - and my friends largest concern, is that the cost of doing business there is preventing significant business investment there in the tech and bio-medical industry. Jobs and companies are either moving to the cheaper part of the EU, or companies rejecting out-of-hand the thought of even moving any sites there due to the taxes, cost and expense (Did I just describe California too?). - Jeff "That's not flying, it's falling with style." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #47 November 17, 2003 Yup, did not mentioned Norway as the Oil thing makes it a somewhat different scenario compared to the other countries in Scandinavia. I did not like the "system" when living in Scandinavia - and I do not endorse it, as there are a number of negatives with this type of society. However, people there are in average more or less happy with the "high tax - high welfare" system and the countries are wealthy. Just used it as an example to illustrate that the "truths" are far too simplistic....--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #48 November 17, 2003 >Rush Limbaugh can out argue you, and most of the rest of us seven ways to Sunday Mr. Quade . . . So could Noam Chomsky. Doesn't make either of their worldviews any more valid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #49 November 17, 2003 > An example of a lie from a leftie: "You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, 'Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons.' They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. "And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong. We found them." -GWB, 5/31/02 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,100 #50 November 17, 2003 >When my business compatriots there explain the "how" of why they can > provide these services, it is because this is one country freakin RICH in >Oil drilled off of their coast-line . . . Norway oil production: 3.1 million barrels per day (2001) US oil production: 5.8 million barrels per day (1999) >and what is not spent abroad is invested in things like free education >and free healthcare. Yep. Seems to work for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
