QuoteQuoteWhat do you say to people who get released after have beeing held in a high security facility for 2 years for no reason, no contact to a lawyer, no contact to family, no visits, no charges etc. etc..... "bad luck?"
well you hang with a$$holes, you end up in shit
When they raid a whore house, the piano player goes to jail too.
never pull low......unless you are
mikkey 0
Wow, that was great. Three quick posts spreading a little abuse and "well documented undeniable truths'" around and you have again made your "valuable" contribution to a discussion. Sic....
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vonSanta 0
Quote....not to mention the guy running all over the world turtuing poor helpless animals with his antics..I mean crikee
C'mon, Steve the Croc Hunter is pretty cool!
. I thoought of him as an exaggerated git until he said "oh lookie there. Crikey that's a big croc in the water. That one can TEAR UP A HUMAN with a single bite. I am gonna pay 'im a vist"
"Ooooh, he's a bit cranky, ain't he?"
That sold me right there on the spot
Santa Von GrossenArsch
I only come in one flavour
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Tonto 1
QuoteWhat is Australia about?"
Beer, flies and thongs.
And if you're American - you're thinking the wrong thong...
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It's the year of the Pig.
kiltboy 0
QuoteThe BBC has a serious credibility problem
So does Tony Blair. Plaigarising a ten year old thesis as intelligence and jumping up and down about WMD that are deployable in 45 minutes only to find that was not the case.
The BBC reported the incorrect validation of a Prime Minister leading a country to war and they were proven correct. Lets throw a weapons expert to the press and try and let our other problems slide shall we?
I see the credibility problem being in government not in the BBC. Strange things happen when a journalist actually tries to hold a government accountable.
David
kallend 2,147
QuoteThere has been a well-researched BBC documentary on him and others held by the US.
The BBC has a serious credibility problem.
I'd believe the BBC before FOX or Rush L. any and every day of the week.
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goose491 0
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America should be about protecting freedom, justice and human rights. As long as even only a handful of prisoners in GB are innocently held it is a major embarrassment and disappointment if you believe in human rights and a fair justice systems.
Thanks for telling us what America should be about. I'm sure whoever appointed you as our spokesman knew what they were doing. What is Australia about?"
Wow Rick, you just hopped in here and flung sh*t at peeps with three posts in a row... do you have something worthwhile to contribute?
Sheesh! Is America not about protecting freedom, justice and human rights? -Or at least trying to imply that that's what it's all about? - Are you really rebutting this?
Australia is about Fosters beer and Crocodile wrestling [giggle] but it doesn't change the fact that GB is an embarrassment and disappointment to all that which the US claims it stands for.
Freedom ain't free... apparently, it only comes at the expense of the freedom of others.
My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!
goose491 0
QuoteThere has been a well-researched BBC documentary on him and others held by the US.
The BBC has a serious credibility problem.
And what of CNN? hmmm?
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My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!
goose491 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhat do you say to people who get released after have beeing held in a high security facility for 2 years for no reason, no contact to a lawyer, no contact to family, no visits, no charges etc. etc..... "bad luck?"
well you hang with a$$holes, you end up in shit
When they raid a whore house, the piano player goes to jail too.
Yeah, and then what happens:
They question the piano player.. if he's clean, he get released... if he was good about the whole thing... they say: "Sorry about the inconvienience piano player, you hang with a$$holes, you end up in shit... Now get out of here and stop playing at that whore house".
And now, what doesn't happen:
They hold the piano player for two years, in a 'camp' with a bag over his head. Claiming "We aint' telling you what he did... but he problly did it!"
My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!
quatorze 1
QuoteWRONG. Signed, ratified by the US Senate 2 August 1955, and therefore US law according to Article VI of the US Constitution.
began in 1882, with Clara Barton pushing the US to sign the orginal draft from 1864, but yes we are a signatory nation.
How does that affect that we never declared war on a country while in Afganistan, just on terror? I guess that it would kind of be like the US soldiers in Vietnam being able to carry shotguns, even though they are outlawed under the Convention, but at the time Vietnam was not a war but considered a police action with no formal declaration of war. Loophole?
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
quatorze 1
QuoteWow, that was great. Three quick posts spreading a little abuse and well documented undeniable truths around and you have again made your valuable contribution to a discussion. Sic....
glad you agree,
all three of his posts seem dead on to me, glad some one is brave enough to take a stand against the rest of the world being pissed at the big kid on the block
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
quatorze 1
QuoteSheesh! Is America not about protecting freedom, justice and human rights? -Or at least trying to imply that that's what it's all about? - Are you really rebutting this?
Yes it is, but at what point does the absudity of having everyone in teh geopolotic criticize the US for it butting into everyones business and then some one dictates what the US should be doing, I for one am an American with a very old view, pre Great War if you like, isolationism, I say we bring home all our trroops, pu them on the beaches here, open the oil field in the Mid west back up, (which didn't run out they were just closed so that when the Gulf gets low, we have the National Reserve) and let the world handle its own problems, mudslide in Brazil, better ask the all knowing OZ for those liitle care packages cuz you and I both now that the UN is an outdated, institution. Then see how long this America bashing lasts.
Bring em home, for good
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
billvon 3,114
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>glad some one is brave enough to take a stand against the rest of
> the world being pissed at the big kid on the block . . .
Yep! Thank god there are people brave enough to stand behind the bully, instead of being one of those cowards who stands up to him.
I understand your sentiment, but the allegory you used was opposite the one you intended, I think.
> the world being pissed at the big kid on the block . . .
Yep! Thank god there are people brave enough to stand behind the bully, instead of being one of those cowards who stands up to him.
I understand your sentiment, but the allegory you used was opposite the one you intended, I think.
goose491 0
QuoteI for one am an American with a very old view, pre Great War if you like, isolationism, I say we bring home all our trroops, pu them on the beaches here, open the oil field in the Mid west back up, (which didn't run out they were just closed so that when the Gulf gets low, we have the National Reserve) and let the world handle its own problems,...
Here Here! That would be FAN-TAS-TIC!!!
The people you are speaking out against.... well, this is probably THERE argument... as in "Stop policing the planet" ???
QuoteMudslide in Brazil, better ask the all knowing OZ for those liitle care packages cuz you and I both now that the UN is an outdated, institution. Then see how long this America bashing lasts.
Bring em home, for good
Well aint that coy?
The America Bashing won't last if you "Bring 'em Home"... do you see that's what has us "America Bashing"? You're arguing both sides of the debate here.
My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!
quatorze 1
QuoteWell aint that coy?
The America Bashing won't last if you "Bring 'em Home"... do you see that's what has us "America Bashing"? You're arguing both sides of the debate here.
Watch your tone or when they all get them home, I 'll have to send them up there annex the great white north and teach you how to make good beer.
Really, though I do respect your opinion and all the others on this board, I hear all this anti Amercian dogma from people who don't live in the regions where America has helped and been appreciated.
Believe CNN, FNC, BBC, Sky, who ever you want, but I'll believe all my buds who have been over sees in a military role and how happy everyone is to see America role in. Even now the press want you to think that all Iraqi's are fed up with the US, but my bud who just rotated home, can't understand how if every one over there hated him how they planed to kill him, well maybe he did really need to get across the street and the impromptu crowds that gather around US troops to kiss their feet (yes you heard right) really hampered their goal to go get some goat milk. All I am saying is if the US steps out of world polotics, who is going to fill the void, or are the rest of you just mad cause my dad can kick your dad's ass?
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
billvon 3,114
>All I am saying is if the US steps out of world polotics, who is going
> to fill the void . . .
You don't think there are plenty of squabbling nations that can make life as interesting as the US does for places like Iraq?
> or are the rest of you just mad cause my dad can
> kick your dad's ass?
I think that other countries are mad at the US because it often treats global diplomacy like a bully who kicks people's asses. Many people don't like bullies.
> to fill the void . . .
You don't think there are plenty of squabbling nations that can make life as interesting as the US does for places like Iraq?
> or are the rest of you just mad cause my dad can
> kick your dad's ass?
I think that other countries are mad at the US because it often treats global diplomacy like a bully who kicks people's asses. Many people don't like bullies.
quatorze 1
Bill, I am sure there are enough nations to create even more havoc, withou us, but sometimes it seems to me that people tend to forget that we as a nation do some pretty good things, and the void I meant was the humanitarian aid, the muscle to the UN peacekeeping forces (which our troops are nowhere near traind to do, they have a different prupose, and should not be asked to be policeman) and the economic support that we give other less of, nations.
And the other part was a joke, sort of
my grandma and your grandma
hanging out clothes
my grandma punched your grand ma
right samck in her nose
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
And the other part was a joke, sort of
my grandma and your grandma
hanging out clothes
my grandma punched your grand ma
right samck in her nose
I'm not afriad of dying, I'm afraid of never really living- Erin Engle
billvon 3,114
>but sometimes it seems to me that people tend to forget that we as
> a nation do some pretty good things, and the void I meant was the
> humanitarian aid . . .
I agree, although I think that in some cases the reason countries put up with us more than they otherwise would is because it keeps the money flowing.
>the muscle to the UN peacekeeping forces (which our troops are
> nowhere near traind to do, they have a different prupose, and
> should not be asked to be policeman)
I agree. We should support the UN militarily (i.e. for conflicts) and then rely on them for peacekeepers. If we had done that a year ago I think we'd be in much better shape todea.
> a nation do some pretty good things, and the void I meant was the
> humanitarian aid . . .
I agree, although I think that in some cases the reason countries put up with us more than they otherwise would is because it keeps the money flowing.
>the muscle to the UN peacekeeping forces (which our troops are
> nowhere near traind to do, they have a different prupose, and
> should not be asked to be policeman)
I agree. We should support the UN militarily (i.e. for conflicts) and then rely on them for peacekeepers. If we had done that a year ago I think we'd be in much better shape todea.
The BBC has a serious credibility problem.
never pull low......unless you are