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Tim Robbin's play 'Embedded' not so realistic

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This is how the liberal left would like to believe it happened.

It is not covered at all by CNN.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104322,00.html
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And that is how the conservative right like to report stuff they don't agree with.



Both sides deserve criticism if they deliberately distort the truth.

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Other than that, I'm perfectly willing to believe that play is as realistic as "inbedded" journalism...not so.



The embedded journalists were from many news sources, and were allowed to show us real action. That you dismiss what they reported and are 'perfectly willing to believe that play' shows that you can't accept what doesn't fit your template.
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Both sides deserve criticism if they deliberately distort the truth.


Agreed...the form of criticism when it's coming from the right and is aimed at the left is what I was pointing out...just a token attempt at humor, so it wouldn't seem like I'm dead serious about such things.

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That you dismiss what they reported and are 'perfectly willing to believe that play' shows that you can't accept what doesn't fit your template.


I hope that is not as grossly taken out of context as it seems at the first glance. I made a comparison between the credibility of the play and reporters who were "allowed" (!?) to show "real" action. imo, neither are to be trusted, the first because it's a leftist satire of a conservative government's decisions, and the second because embedded reporting and objective journalism (scarce as it already is in most media) simply do not go together.

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embedded reporting and objective journalism (scarce as it already is in most media) simply do not go together.



Reporters were given unprecedented freedom (and the administration should be given credit for being willing to do so). What is incompatible?
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What is incompatible?


How about the fact they were travelling around with troops? It might have looked very real, it was certainly a great display of US forces in action and a nice attention getter, but saying it painted a balanced picture of the conflict is just ridiculous.
Of course, my view of journalism and its purpose comes from four years of study and may differ greatly from yours. Feel free to hold onto it if it works for you.

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How about the fact they were travelling around with troops?

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Of course they travelled with the troops. Do you have some information to suggest that reporters wanted to be independent during the period of very active battles? Do you think it would be right for the military to let journalists to get in the way by allowing them to move freely during that time?

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Of course, my view of journalism and its purpose comes from four years of study and may differ greatly from yours. Feel free to hold onto it if it works for you.



Thanks ever so much for the permission.
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Of course, my view of journalism and its purpose comes from four years of study and may differ greatly from yours.



Liberal Arts major?


Bwahahaha:D:D...Communication theories and (mass) media.

[edit]this: "saying it painted a balanced picture of the conflict is just ridiculous." was the point I was trying to make.

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This is how the liberal left would like to believe it happened.

It is not covered at all by CNN.com.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104322,00.html



I can't believe anybody would give that son of a bitch their money. Oh, wait, he's a liberal's liberal, so that makes it okay.

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So tell us more about your view on journalism and its purpose


Right, in a nutshell;
-The main purpose of journalism is to inform the public. Presenting an event, a journalist must strive to provide factual and unbiased information, covering as many aspects of it as possible. Bonuses, rewards or bribes for reporting/not reporting something are unacceptable. Being personally involved in an event makes a reporter less suitable to provide information about it. Agreeing to terms that limit the amount of information a journalist may provide or define what can and can not be reported is against the very essence of journalism.-

Which are just some of the (idealistic) guidelines journalists should follow in their work. Other practices that should be avoided include;
-focusing on news that "sell". Journalism is not entertainment and shouldn't be exposed to pressure from advertisers, share-holders and other people or organizations trying to create profit by selective reporting.
-spreading propaganda, informing the public of just one side of an issue, presenting commentaries as facts.
-reporting unverified information as facts, gathering and reporting information in a manner that would compromise the credibility of a certain journalist or of journalists as a whole.

Anyway, with the way things function today, it's not just embedded reporting that I'm sceptical about. A lot of information is presented with an intent other than just informing. Knowing who stands behind certain sources of information can help to understand it better. Getting information about given issues or events will help define different reasons for reporting it as it is and, more importantly, helps with getting as good and realistic picture as possible.

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Being personally involved in an event makes a reporter less suitable to provide information about it.



If a reporter is embedded, then they are involved in an event. This seems like a good way to get a true picture of events. Are you for, or against, the use of embedded journalists?

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Knowing who stands behind certain sources of information can help to understand it better.



If they are not there with the troops, then you have to listen to a second hand version, probably a controlled outlet. Doesn't this create a problem? Getting your news from the official military source?

It seems that you would have to choose one or the other.

BTW, the actors involved in the production have stated that it used a lot of sarcasm and was not an accurate depiction of events. My definition of propaganda is the intentional misrepresentation of events to forward a political agenda. Seems to be the case here.

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Are you for, or against, the use of embedded journalists?


Against...misleading informations are easier recognized when they come from known "controlled sources" than when they are fed directly to journalists, even when alongside information that is completely true.
Ideally, reporters should be free to cover all aspects of this, or any war. Saying this is a freedom they can't be granted given the circumstances is, imo, saying there are only some things that should be reported and only certain ways to do it, which again brings us to the fact that embedded reporting certainly wasn't journalism's brightest hour.

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which again brings us to the fact that embedded reporting certainly wasn't journalism's brightest hour.



I thought that the embedded journalists were thought of as a great step forward in providing unfiltered access during the war by all of the news agencies. Have some news agencies expressed regret at the practice, wishing they had not been involved in a practice that you say should be against basic journalistic principles?
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I thought that the embedded journalists were thought of as a great step forward in providing unfiltered access during the war by all of the news agencies. Have some news agencies expressed regret at the practice, wishing they had not been involved in a practice that you say should be against basic journalistic principles?


A vast majority of those agencies does not adher to these principles entirely. In fact, a lot of what passes for journalism today would not deserve the name were such principles strictly enforced. But the decision who to trust for information and to what extent is still yours.

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Robbins is nothing but a fucking bleeding-heart liberal coward, like the rest of the shit-heads in Hollyweird.

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