PhillyKev 0 #1 December 9, 2003 Thank god we're no longer supporting dictatorial, oppresive regimes for political and economic reasons. It's good to have a strong moral, non-hypocritical man in the whitehouse. Oh yeah...and fuck you, Taiwan. In Nod to China, Bush Warns Taiwan on Independence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #2 December 9, 2003 I assume there is no oil in Taiwan? --------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 December 9, 2003 QuoteI assume there is no oil in Taiwan? No, just lots of dollar store stock items and plastic gag gifts. But if we get them from China, they would be even cheaper!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 December 9, 2003 Just sounds like he is petting china a little to get better trade relations. Pretty smart move if you ask me. We might as well get something out of the trouble that has been caused. I don't think he has any intention of letting China invade..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #5 December 9, 2003 I agree, it's the correct move, politically. It just irks me when he makes his holier than thou, I'm morally riteous speeches, and people buy that crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #6 December 9, 2003 Quoteand people buy that crap. Once you realize that MOST people are stupid......Life just makes more sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,130 #7 December 9, 2003 >I assume there is no oil in Taiwan? No, but China _really_ has WMD's, so we best not stir them up too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 December 9, 2003 QuoteOh yeah...and fuck you, Taiwan. As Paul Harvey would say, here is "the rest of the story", taken from White House press briefings: Some of the topics that came up of course were Taiwan. I would like to say a few words along those lines. I think the President made a very clear comment in response to the question on Taiwan and the cross-Strait relationship. I want to stress here that the President's top goal is preserving the peace in the Taiwan Strait. We are in no way abandoning support for Taiwan's democracy or for the spread of freedom. Indeed, on that regard, I would like to point that we think the spread of freedom is important to all countries, and that's a topic that we discuss with the Chinese very frequently, and did today. However, though, we're seeing developments on both side of the Strait, forcing us to drop some of the ambiguity that has been in the policy in the past. I will stress here that the President did tell the Chinese in no uncertain terms that we, the United States, would have to get involved if China tried to use coercion or force to unilaterally change the status of Taiwan. And it was in that context that we have been telling Taiwan increasingly clearly that we would likewise not welcome any moves on the part of Taiwan to unilaterally change the status quo. Q: On Taiwan, you said that the President made it clear in a private meeting that the U.S. would feel the need to get involved if China were to take unilateral action. Should the President have made that statement more forcefully publicly, as well? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If you recall -- if you recall back to April 2001, I think the President made that statement as explicitly as possible. Nothing he has said in the interim has walked that statement back. So we can keep on reiterating these things, if you want. But I think that while we continue to be concerned about the growing military threat on the one side of the Taiwan Strait, we are also concerned about recent statements and actions on Taiwan. That is rather a new development and that's why I think the President emphasized in his public comments that specific portion of it. Q: When you say we would have to get involved, what does that mean? Intervene militarily, or what exactly? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, even though I say we're dropping the ambiguity, I'm not going to give you a precise formula. But let me tell you the President was very, very forceful on this issue. He made it clear that, look, you know, if you force us to, if you try to use force or coercion against the Taiwanese, we're going to be there. Q: Did the President specifically make mention of the missiles, the 500 missiles targeting Taiwan? And second, Premier Wen said that the President used the word "oppose." And the President said, we oppose independence in Taiwan. Is that correct? SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Again, we've danced this dance before. I'm not going to get into specific semantics. I think if you look at what we're saying, it's as clear as we can get. Were either side moving unilaterally to change the status quo, we oppose that, we don't want to see it, we think it's dangerous. I'm like the robot going off, "Danger, danger, Will Robinson." We are trying to let both sides of the Strait know that certain actions can be dangerous. We think anything that looks like a unilateral move towards independence on the part of Taiwan can start down a dangerous road. Source: White House Press Briefing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #9 December 9, 2003 Quote>I assume there is no oil in Taiwan? No, but China _really_ has WMD's, so we best not stir them up too much. ...and it is the fastest growing economy in the World with the biggest commercial opportunities and it has the largest army in the World et. etc. Yes, yes I know, but what about the need to bring democracy to suppressed people? What about stopping the spread of WMD's? You are not telling me that Bush is using double standards? He said clearly that Iraq had nothing to do with Oil! --------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #10 December 9, 2003 So you believe the spin doctors? "Senior Administration Official" indeed!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 December 9, 2003 QuoteHe made it clear that, look, you know, if you force us to, if you try to use force or coercion against the Taiwanese, we're going to be there. With statements like that, how can Taiwan think we're not 100% behind them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #12 December 10, 2003 QuoteI assume there is no oil in Taiwan? The Spratley Islands are rich in oil and gas deposits. Taiwan is one of several who claim ownership of the archipelago. Check six Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #13 December 10, 2003 We did a simulation in one of my military classes in college that involved that entire region, including the spratleys and several other islands. The history, political intrigue, and animosity involved over claims on these islands is astounding, and it is very legitimately a potential hot spot in the years to come. The Koreas and Japan are also involved in this, which makes it even scarier.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #14 December 10, 2003 QuoteJust sounds like he is petting china a little to get better trade relations. Pretty smart move if you ask me. We might as well get something out of the trouble that has been caused. I don't think he has any intention of letting China invade..... I agree wholeheartedly...i personally don't believe we should put our American asses on the line for taiwan. Another cold war is not a good idea and i'll shit my pants if we start trading shots with China. I think some people just want to spread propaganda about how and why to hate GWB. While I'm not a big fan of his...I haven't seen or heard any good evidence for hating the man. Combat Journalist: "How do you shoot women and children?" Door Gunner: "Ya just don't lead em as much!" Full Metal Jacketwww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #15 December 10, 2003 Your proposed foreign policy towards the Chinese-Taiwanese situation is....what, exactly?Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #16 December 10, 2003 QuoteYour proposed foreign policy towards the Chinese-Taiwanese situation is....what, exactly? see above QuoteI agree, it's the correct move, politically. It just irks me when he makes his holier than thou, I'm morally riteous speeches, and people buy that crap. I wasn't criticizing the policy. But how can sheeple buy his diatribes about how altruistic our invasion of Iraq was? Our policy is either driven by a desire to free opressed people or it's something else. Just another example that it's obviously something else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,130 #17 December 10, 2003 >But how can sheeple buy his diatribes about how altruistic our invasion of Iraq was? It's the art of the strikeout. You just have to keep track of what our latest interpretation of what our goals used to be, and what they are now. Keep a pencil handy so you can change them as the situations warrants. We went to war to stop an imminent threat to the US get Hussein find his weapons of mass destruction liberate the Iraqis find mass graves. It won't be a drawn-out war, it will be a swift war liberation occupation lengthy war of a different sort. The Iraqis will welcome us as liberators accept us as occupiers not kill US troops (usually.) The war will help eliminate terrorism slow down terrorism suck terrorists into Iraq where they will kill soldiers instead of people be a boon to US companies. The US supports new democracies terrorists that kill communists dictators that use chemical weapons against our enemies communist dictatorships. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
