captainpooby 0 #1 December 13, 2003 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36118 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JUDICIAL JIHAD Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 13, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents. You cant say "One Nation under God" but this OK? Someone pinch me and wake me up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #2 December 13, 2003 The only thing I disagree with is that they've banned certain religious teachings from the classroom, so maybe this should follow the same route... But if that wasn't the case, I don't see anything wrong with it at all. What's the big deal? -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #3 December 13, 2003 Teaching the Koran in school is fine by me .... as long as they devote equal time to Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Bhuddist, etc. religious practices. Bets that the teenagers enjoy the Mormon (minor sects) blocks of instruction on polygamy? Hee! Hee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsled92 0 #4 December 13, 2003 So, a group of people who hate us Westerners are now forcing their beliefs into schools and we are supposed to kiss ass from "racial guilt" that they want to rid us from the Earth? That sound REALLY constitutional. We are turning into false myrtars._______________________________ If I could be a Super Hero, I chose to be: "GRANT-A-CLAUS". and work 365 days a Year. http://www.hangout.no/speednews/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #5 December 13, 2003 OK...in the context of a History/Geography class.....Yeah...no big deal. It's a good thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 December 13, 2003 In my experience (when I was in middle school, HS, etc) schools aren't against teaching religous material in school, they're against teaching Christian material in school. Even in the context of Geography type classes.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 December 13, 2003 Disgusting. No nativity scene in NYC schools (menorah's and Islamic crescents are OK though) and now this. The next time some ACLU buffoon screams about 'separation of church and state' (still waiting for someone to show me that phrase in the Constitution) ask them about this case. When I've done so they always scream louder or run like the cowards they are.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #8 December 13, 2003 It is the Muslim/Islamic goal to have an Islamic world, and they will do anything to achieve that. I also do not believe it will ever come to that....thanks be to God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #9 December 13, 2003 menorahs and islamic symbols don't belong in public schools either. you either let everything in or nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #10 December 13, 2003 I think it is a great way to learn about Arab culture. Understanding Islam is very important if you want to understand Arab culture. I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with how they accept this and are so completely against learning about other religions. Understanding Christianity is very important if you want to understand Western culture, Buddhism for Japanese culture, and so on. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 December 13, 2003 Quotehttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36118 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JUDICIAL JIHAD Judge rules Islamic education OK in California classrooms Dismisses suit opposing requirement students recite Quran, pray to Allah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 13, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and even to play "jihad games" in California public schools has been legally upheld by a federal judge, who has dismissed a highly publicized lawsuit brought by several Christian students and their parents. You cant say "One Nation under God" but this OK? Someone pinch me and wake me up. It should be equal for all. When I lived in CA the local public school had a big Hannukah celebration but zero about Christmas. I really don't care if they have religous studies, but all religions should get coverage (including Wiccan). Excluding religion altogether is not a smart idea, because so many of society's problems are tied to religion in one way or another that kids need to see what's what.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerry81 10 #12 December 13, 2003 Quote Understanding Islam is very important if you want to understand Arab culture. I don't have a problem with it. I have a problem with how they accept this and are so completely against learning about other religions. Understanding Christianity is very important if you want to understand Western culture, Buddhism for Japanese culture, and so on. I think more emphasis should be put on learning to understand why other people/cultures think the way they do. However, properly teaching this (if a proper method even exists) is probably one of the hardest and most responsible jobs possible. A lot of people tend to make their own cultural background the basis of all understanding, which leads to oversimplification, skewed ideas of 'others' and some simply idiotic beliefs. Teaching about christianity is, imo, not as important in a western society as learning about other major religious cultural foundations, since kids are probably already exposed to it in some way or the other. Still, I have my doubts about the method mentioned in the original posts if it is really exactly like the description. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themitchyone 0 #13 December 13, 2003 Learning and understanding different cultures and religions is important, but IMO this does not seem appropriate. If schools have to replace "Christmas Break" with "Winter Break" which is reasonable and Santa with snowflake decorations, why should students be asked to wear Muslim garb? Also, isn't asking students to wear Muslim "garb" sterotyping the religion more? Islamic people are all over the world with variety of languages, cultures, and clothing just like other religions."If the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girl's sports such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VectorBoy 0 #14 December 13, 2003 QuoteTeaching the Koran in school is fine by me .... as long as they devote equal time to Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Bhuddist, etc. religious practices. Bets that the teenagers enjoy the Mormon (minor sects) blocks of instruction on polygamy? Hee! Hee! Does that mean they get to bust out the Necronomicon? Yup the metal heads will love that too. I think, or I'm not sure what metalheads like anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #15 December 14, 2003 I think they do belong in public schools because understanding other cultures and religions is part of the education process. It's not a state endorsement of the religion in any manner. Hard to learn about Middle Eastern history, the history of Outremer and the Crusades, etc. without understanding a bit about religion. I agree on the all or nothing. The football team prayer came to the SCOTUS because a predominantly Baptist community wouldn't let a Catholic boy say the team prayer, if memory serves. (Baptists in general are good people in my own experiences; I could be wrong here but think my point made) I think the LACK of ACLU involvement here and in the NYC schools case really shows what anti-Christian bigots they are. Sad that an organization can go that route. They used to be OK 20 years or so ago. Can you imagine their ire should a teacher have kids staging a fake Crusade shouting 'God wills it!' and reciting verses from the Bible?Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #16 December 14, 2003 out here in california, the ACLU went to bat for a christian youth group on my high school campus. the school was trying to say they couldn't hold a prayer meeting during lunch, and the students thought otherwise. ACLU lawyer agreed. School decided rather than battle the ACLU, the club was allowed to meet at lunchtime. The reason the ACLU doesn't typically need to go to bat for christian groups is that: 1. most of the time the christian groups have and prefer their own lawyers. 2. many christian groups are ALREADY given priveledges not granted to others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captainpooby 0 #17 December 14, 2003 The point is: The court said you cant say:"One nation under God" says you can force kids to "play jihad". Its fucked up. Never mind church and state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #18 December 14, 2003 "Appealing to the 9th Circuit? Yesterday, Thompson told WND that his legal team believed from the start that, regardless of who won the first round, this case would go to appeal – and that is exactly where he wants it to go. With some irony, Thompson points out that the appeal would go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals." What a waste of time and effort that will be. The 9th isn't known as the "Circus Court" for nothing. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
