Frodo 0 #151 December 14, 2003 QuoteI think everyone who made comments about people who have only done a tandem or two should look back at there first days in the sport. It's amazing how far a little compassion or a kind word to a new person goes. I truly believe that it could make the difference between a one jump thrill seeker and a person who says maybe I should come back and try this again. ... I am not saying that you should set out the welcome wagon for every student that passes through. Just say hello and give them a chance as a person. You might be surpised at what you find. A diamond looks like every other rock until it is cut cleaned and polished. Brian You're right in what you're saying, and yet I will tell you this: when I was making my 3rd or 4th jump, along came a company of guys n gals - to do tandem jumps. Well, yes I did laugh at one of them when he asked "So, what happens if the parachute doesn't open?" (In a 100% whuffo way - not anything close to "malfunction" - just the plain old general public "doesn't open" thing). And he was very much surprised when told that we even have a reserve. I mean WTF?!! He's about to risk his life jumping out of a plane, he's 10 minutes from boarding it, and has no freaking idea how it all works? He wasn't curious enough to look it up or ask before, and he doesn't seem too concerned now either. Hmm... (btw, I didn't, like, laugh my ass off, no. That certainly would be very rude, and I'm in no position to humiliate anyone at the DZ.) I see this often. For example, when we (astronomy students) go to an observatory, there is always a group of school kids or non-astronomy students to whom experienced people explain stuff about telescopes, stars, etc. etc. Well, now and then we see people that just don't give a damn. They laugh all the time, don't pay attention, don't take in any information, and generally don't care if they're at an observatory, museum, theatre or whatever. Bottomline is, I don't like this tourist attitude. "I'm paying money, entertain me". They have no appreciation for what they see or experience. That seems to include some tandem passengers. Hopefully, only a few. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #152 December 15, 2003 QuoteI didn't say it couldn't be done, I said: but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. And I said....By whos standards? Only the USPA. I would consider that person very qualified. And I bet if I don't send in my 20.00 bucks I bet I will still be allowed to jump with level 8 students."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #153 December 15, 2003 QuoteTry going to a dz where nobody knows you, regardless of jump numbers, and see if they'll waive a coach rating. Or try to get it waived, so that you can jump with a novice for free, at a dz that regularly charges for coach jumps. It's not so easy, then. He said it could not be done, not that it was hard. Even if you showed up with a coach rating at a DZ that I owned...I still would not just put you into the rotation. You would have to prove what you can do one way or another"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #154 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteTry going to a dz where nobody knows you, regardless of jump numbers, and see if they'll waive a coach rating. Or try to get it waived, so that you can jump with a novice for free, at a dz that regularly charges for coach jumps. It's not so easy, then. He said it could not be done, not that it was hard. For the 2nd time, I did NOT say it could not be done, see: See www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=807940#807940... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #155 December 15, 2003 Jesus Christ, this arguement again? Just write a letter to the USPA and get over yourself. -OR- Do what everyone else has done, get their Coach rating and go on with life.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #156 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteI didn't say it couldn't be done, I said: but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. And I said....By whos standards? Only the USPA. Quote Who else in the USA sets standards for skydiving instruction? What other skydiving organizations in the USA are recognized by the NAA, FAI and FAA?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #157 December 15, 2003 QuoteJesus Christ, this arguement again? Just write a letter to the USPA and get over yourself. -OR- Do what everyone else has done, get their Coach rating and go on with life. I could say the same about those who continually grumble about gun laws and the 2nd Amendment. Get over it and buy a crossbow.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #158 December 15, 2003 Here's the difference. You're trying to use an arguement about a Right that the American people have, granted by the Constitution. You're arguing about a privilage that was adjusted to take the sport in a new direction, by our elected and member run governing body. Your fun arguement association is very very weak. Thus, my previous post still stands.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #159 December 15, 2003 Correction you said that he was unqualified.... Which I say he would be. Only the USPA and you thinks he would not be"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #160 December 15, 2003 The FAA sets the standards that are REQUIRED. Follow them and you can tell the USPA to kiss your butt. So that guy would be qualified. Hell you are qualified to teach a first jump course according to the FAA. The coach rating is a joke..The USPA is a joke. USPA is not law."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Vallerina 2 #161 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteJesus Christ, this arguement again? Just write a letter to the USPA and get over yourself. -OR- Do what everyone else has done, get their Coach rating and go on with life. I could say the same about those who continually grumble about gun laws and the 2nd Amendment. Get over it and buy a crossbow. HAHA! One point for Kallend! (Sorry for the useless post, but I just laughed my butt off at that one!)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #162 December 15, 2003 Quote The coach rating is a joke Quote OK. Maybe I was being too oblique, since that was what the reader of my original post was meant to infer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #163 December 15, 2003 QuoteHere's the difference. You're trying to use an arguement about a Right that the American people have, granted by the Constitution. You're arguing about a privilage that was adjusted to take the sport in a new direction, by our elected and member run governing body. Your fun arguement association is very very weak. Thus, my previous post still stands. All rules of men are just rules and subject to interpretation. Gravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. PS What's a "convience"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #164 December 15, 2003 QuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #165 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action. You spell poorly and that makes my argument better? That's curious logic but I suppose I should thank you. BTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #166 December 15, 2003 QuoteOK. Maybe I was being too oblique, since that was what the reader of my original post was meant to infer. OK, but you are the first to point out when someone says something that could be meant one way and you take it another. Or you just point out spelling errors. Fact is that that person WOULD be qualified, and even the USPA makes it so he could jump with a non licensed jumper."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcandalysse 0 #167 December 15, 2003 all these posts....man you guys must have some downtime at work... marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #168 December 15, 2003 QuoteBTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around. Look, shit happens. I bet you spell like a champ when you're stuck at home with a fever and feel "great." Fine, Aggie jokes, I actually like Aggie jokes, so fire away if you'd like. Start a new thread and get some out there. Either way, I still see your argument opposing the current BSRs as being nothing more then an unwillingness to change (for the better). Not only are you unwilling to change and follow the BSRs, you're not willing to try to help bring the skill level of USPA Coaches to the level you would prefer to see. Think about being a TM. When tandems were first introduced, there was no rating, experienced jumpers could become a TM with out any training. Do you still oppose having a TM rating, since you have a lot of experience and over 1000 jumps? Now, on to AFF. Where is the proof that you have to be able to pass the AFF course to be good enough to perform the duties of an AFF Instructor. Do you think that since you have experience and over 1000 jumps you should be allowed to do AFF jumps?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #169 December 15, 2003 Quoteall these posts....man you guys must have some downtime at work... marc Semester's over, exams are graded, weather's nasty. I suppose I could clean the bathrooms.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #170 December 15, 2003 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=802327#802327 See number 4 and number 9.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #171 December 15, 2003 Ok, how am I mad? I've yet to even remotely loose my temper. As for spelling, well, you've seen my posts long enough now, on various subjects that you should have formed that opinion a long time ago. Since I never said "Kallend is right in just about everything" then you probably assume I have the intelligence of your average redneck. You're still ignoring my questions and posts by trying to nitpick and upset me. I would have expected much more from a University level professor.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." 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kallend 2,142 #157 December 15, 2003 QuoteJesus Christ, this arguement again? Just write a letter to the USPA and get over yourself. -OR- Do what everyone else has done, get their Coach rating and go on with life. I could say the same about those who continually grumble about gun laws and the 2nd Amendment. Get over it and buy a crossbow.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #158 December 15, 2003 Here's the difference. You're trying to use an arguement about a Right that the American people have, granted by the Constitution. You're arguing about a privilage that was adjusted to take the sport in a new direction, by our elected and member run governing body. Your fun arguement association is very very weak. Thus, my previous post still stands.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #159 December 15, 2003 Correction you said that he was unqualified.... Which I say he would be. Only the USPA and you thinks he would not be"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #160 December 15, 2003 The FAA sets the standards that are REQUIRED. Follow them and you can tell the USPA to kiss your butt. So that guy would be qualified. Hell you are qualified to teach a first jump course according to the FAA. The coach rating is a joke..The USPA is a joke. USPA is not law."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vallerina 2 #161 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteJesus Christ, this arguement again? Just write a letter to the USPA and get over yourself. -OR- Do what everyone else has done, get their Coach rating and go on with life. I could say the same about those who continually grumble about gun laws and the 2nd Amendment. Get over it and buy a crossbow. HAHA! One point for Kallend! (Sorry for the useless post, but I just laughed my butt off at that one!)There's a thin line between Saturday night and Sunday morning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #162 December 15, 2003 Quote The coach rating is a joke Quote OK. Maybe I was being too oblique, since that was what the reader of my original post was meant to infer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #163 December 15, 2003 QuoteHere's the difference. You're trying to use an arguement about a Right that the American people have, granted by the Constitution. You're arguing about a privilage that was adjusted to take the sport in a new direction, by our elected and member run governing body. Your fun arguement association is very very weak. Thus, my previous post still stands. All rules of men are just rules and subject to interpretation. Gravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. PS What's a "convience"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #164 December 15, 2003 QuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #165 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action. You spell poorly and that makes my argument better? That's curious logic but I suppose I should thank you. BTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #166 December 15, 2003 QuoteOK. Maybe I was being too oblique, since that was what the reader of my original post was meant to infer. OK, but you are the first to point out when someone says something that could be meant one way and you take it another. Or you just point out spelling errors. Fact is that that person WOULD be qualified, and even the USPA makes it so he could jump with a non licensed jumper."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcandalysse 0 #167 December 15, 2003 all these posts....man you guys must have some downtime at work... marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #168 December 15, 2003 QuoteBTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around. Look, shit happens. I bet you spell like a champ when you're stuck at home with a fever and feel "great." Fine, Aggie jokes, I actually like Aggie jokes, so fire away if you'd like. Start a new thread and get some out there. Either way, I still see your argument opposing the current BSRs as being nothing more then an unwillingness to change (for the better). Not only are you unwilling to change and follow the BSRs, you're not willing to try to help bring the skill level of USPA Coaches to the level you would prefer to see. Think about being a TM. When tandems were first introduced, there was no rating, experienced jumpers could become a TM with out any training. Do you still oppose having a TM rating, since you have a lot of experience and over 1000 jumps? Now, on to AFF. Where is the proof that you have to be able to pass the AFF course to be good enough to perform the duties of an AFF Instructor. Do you think that since you have experience and over 1000 jumps you should be allowed to do AFF jumps?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #169 December 15, 2003 Quoteall these posts....man you guys must have some downtime at work... marc Semester's over, exams are graded, weather's nasty. I suppose I could clean the bathrooms.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,142 #170 December 15, 2003 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=802327#802327 See number 4 and number 9.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #171 December 15, 2003 Ok, how am I mad? I've yet to even remotely loose my temper. As for spelling, well, you've seen my posts long enough now, on various subjects that you should have formed that opinion a long time ago. Since I never said "Kallend is right in just about everything" then you probably assume I have the intelligence of your average redneck. You're still ignoring my questions and posts by trying to nitpick and upset me. I would have expected much more from a University level professor.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." 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kallend 2,142 #163 December 15, 2003 QuoteHere's the difference. You're trying to use an arguement about a Right that the American people have, granted by the Constitution. You're arguing about a privilage that was adjusted to take the sport in a new direction, by our elected and member run governing body. Your fun arguement association is very very weak. Thus, my previous post still stands. All rules of men are just rules and subject to interpretation. Gravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. PS What's a "convience"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #164 December 15, 2003 QuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #165 December 15, 2003 QuoteQuoteGravity is a different matter and is not subject to interpretation. So. That has no bearing on your arguement/cause. I know it does in your classroom, but this isn't physics class. QuotePS What's a "convience"? Spelling mistake, it happens. Thanks for trying to make your arguement seem better by pointing out a simple spelling mistake. That's a really mature course of action. You spell poorly and that makes my argument better? That's curious logic but I suppose I should thank you. BTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #166 December 15, 2003 QuoteOK. Maybe I was being too oblique, since that was what the reader of my original post was meant to infer. OK, but you are the first to point out when someone says something that could be meant one way and you take it another. Or you just point out spelling errors. Fact is that that person WOULD be qualified, and even the USPA makes it so he could jump with a non licensed jumper."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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AggieDave 6 #168 December 15, 2003 QuoteBTW you made the same error several times, as you have with "arguement" (sic). No wonder there are so many Aggie jokes going around. Look, shit happens. I bet you spell like a champ when you're stuck at home with a fever and feel "great." Fine, Aggie jokes, I actually like Aggie jokes, so fire away if you'd like. Start a new thread and get some out there. Either way, I still see your argument opposing the current BSRs as being nothing more then an unwillingness to change (for the better). Not only are you unwilling to change and follow the BSRs, you're not willing to try to help bring the skill level of USPA Coaches to the level you would prefer to see. Think about being a TM. When tandems were first introduced, there was no rating, experienced jumpers could become a TM with out any training. Do you still oppose having a TM rating, since you have a lot of experience and over 1000 jumps? Now, on to AFF. Where is the proof that you have to be able to pass the AFF course to be good enough to perform the duties of an AFF Instructor. Do you think that since you have experience and over 1000 jumps you should be allowed to do AFF jumps?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #169 December 15, 2003 Quoteall these posts....man you guys must have some downtime at work... marc Semester's over, exams are graded, weather's nasty. I suppose I could clean the bathrooms.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,142 #170 December 15, 2003 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=802327#802327 See number 4 and number 9.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #171 December 15, 2003 Ok, how am I mad? I've yet to even remotely loose my temper. As for spelling, well, you've seen my posts long enough now, on various subjects that you should have formed that opinion a long time ago. Since I never said "Kallend is right in just about everything" then you probably assume I have the intelligence of your average redneck. You're still ignoring my questions and posts by trying to nitpick and upset me. I would have expected much more from a University level professor.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
