sarge 0 #126 December 12, 2003 Quote If you did a Tandem once 5 years ago and claim to be an expert...Your a DZ.commer LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .-- I'm done with the personally meaningful and philosophical sigs!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #127 December 12, 2003 QuoteQuote Closing pin= It's a special way to recognize someone you have something in common with. Whatever!! I use mine as a nose picker!! WrongWay... you are SO ghetto! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #128 December 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteYou can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. Fasle a local S&TA can waive that at a USPA GM DZ. You don't have to do squat if it is not a USPA DZ. Plus I never had a coach rating and I can jump with folks all day long...Im an Instructor. Your slipping Doc. Instructor includes coach - you were just grandfathered in when the rules changed. Just because a rule is waived doesn't mean it's not still a rule. Everyone has a waiver to drive 80mph on Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway, but the posted limit is still 45 in the local lanes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #129 December 12, 2003 QuoteInstructor includes coach - you were just grandfathered in when the rules changed. Just because a rule is waived doesn't mean it's not still a rule. Everyone has a waiver to drive 80mph on Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway, but the posted limit is still 45 in the local lanes. You didn't say anything about a "Rule"... You said that they were unqualified. Thats not true. Only the USPA says that, and they even let you get around it. Then you said without a coach rating someone could not do a two way with someone with 24 jumps...I don't have a coach rating but I can. Again not true. For your statment to be true it would have to include "According to the USPA" Or "At a USPA DZ". But it is not illegal for me to jump with someone with Zero jumps..Or you for that matter."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #130 December 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteInstructor includes coach - you were just grandfathered in when the rules changed. Just because a rule is waived doesn't mean it's not still a rule. Everyone has a waiver to drive 80mph on Chicago's Dan Ryan Expressway, but the posted limit is still 45 in the local lanes. You didn't say anything about a "Rule"... You said that they were unqualified. Thats not true. Only the USPA says that, and they even let you get around it. Then you said without a coach rating someone could not do a two way with someone with 24 jumps...I don't have a coach rating but I can. Again not true. For your statment to be true it would have to include "According to the USPA" Or "At a USPA DZ". But it is not illegal for me to jump with someone with Zero jumps..Or you for that matter. You conveniently snipped the context of my comments, which was: "I think its EVERY experienced jumpers DUTY to jump with new people to help them along. That is how I learned when I started jumping.. expereinced jumpers taking me under thier wing... and teaching me what to do and what not to do." Now, in the current climate fulfilling that DUTY is not possible unless the experienced jumper has a duty to get a coach or higher rating, or a duty to get a S&TA to sign an annual waiver from the rule, or a duty to jump at a non-GM DZ. So what Amazon considers a DUTY has been made difficult by our USPA.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #131 December 12, 2003 QuoteYou conveniently snipped the context of my comments, which was: No, you conveniently left of the part about USPA. QuoteNow, in the current climate fulfilling that DUTY is not possible unless the experienced jumper has a duty to get a coach or higher rating, or a duty to get a S&TA to sign an annual waiver from the rule, or a duty to jump at a non-GM DZ. You said they could not....Which was wrong. They can. QuoteSo what Amazon considers a DUTY has been made difficult by our USPA I agree. But the USPA is not the LAW. And it can be waived very easily. And if the person you described walked up to the DZ...They would get waived. You are off today...You sick?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #132 December 12, 2003 Beacuse the weather's crap (Cornwall, UK) and my local DZ is closed. Nearest one is 80 odd miles away, and I can't drive So I'm waiting until March, when the DZO said it's likely to be possible. I wanted to do one the end of November, but couldn't Oh well.. that's why I'm here. Gotta spend my hours of free student-time doing something! Nick. 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murps2000 86 #133 December 12, 2003 QuoteSo what Amazon considers a DUTY has been made difficult by our USPA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree. But the USPA is not the LAW. And it can be waived very easily. Try going to a dz where nobody knows you, regardless of jump numbers, and see if they'll waive a coach rating. Or try to get it waived, so that you can jump with a novice for free, at a dz that regularly charges for coach jumps. It's not so easy, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #134 December 13, 2003 Quote***.... If I have the guts to back up next spring, then I guess I can consider myself a skydiver. If you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. Sorry you got hurt, but I can tell you for certain that if I get hurt, and heal enough to be physically able to skydive again, that's exactly what i'll do. And, I can say that without a doubt. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #135 December 13, 2003 QuoteQuoteUntil your life is in your hands out there, you're a student. I'm still an aff student. On my level 3, on the release I went into a spin that I couldn't stop. My JM could not re-dock with me. I was on my own. Once under canopy, my radio failed, I was on my own and I landed not only in one piece, but within 50 yards of the target. I may have been a student, but trust me, my life was in my hands. Chris I hear ya,... and I don't doubt that if you could've jumped alone you would have,... but you were still in the JMs hands, or so you thought, when you left that plane. I have no doubt that you'll be making more skydives, so i'd call you a skydiver... Not that i'm really one to judge, I am just a baby to this sport myself. These are just my opinions & thoughts... and since you replied to them, I figure i'd do the same:) Take care and heal well. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #136 December 13, 2003 Quote You said they could not....Which was wrong. They can. Quote I didn't say it couldn't be done, I said: but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. And you, Ron, if you don't pay your $20 business license fee to USPA will be unqualified too when your rating renewal comes up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #137 December 13, 2003 I have a coach rating....SO all you little people bow....NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh....and send to young virgins to my room....with a roast beef sandwich....no bread.... And a 12 pack of Rolling Rock....Cold.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites suz 0 #138 December 13, 2003 QuoteAt least a couple times a week a whuffo calls me and all my friends stupid. I don't think they realize it but it really pisses me off I find that I get the same reaction. I doubt that they mean it sincerly, but I find that no matter what I say to defend myself, they still stick to their guns by thinking I'm crazy, mad, stupid,etc. I think deep down that they are perhaps a little envy that we get to play in the air and they havent had the chance yet! When you think of it that way, you cant help but smile when they call you crazy, mad, stupid, etc. Don't bother me, I'm living happily ever after Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #139 December 13, 2003 Clay, You should definitely donate your brain to science. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brian425 0 #140 December 13, 2003 I guess I'm just lucky. (it's better to be lucky then good. and I'm not good yet.) I've had several people offer to do some simple two ways and basic belly flying with me after I get my A. Two of my coaches told me that they would like to do a pure fun jump with me after my A where I plan the whole skydive, from the jump run to the landing pattern. (I know it's just extra training from them for free.) I was warned that if my spot is bad and we land off, I get to carry both rigs and buy a double ration of beer. Right now, I am fortunate that I have three other people that I went through AFF with to fly with after we all get our A's. So hopefully we can avoid some of that middle time when we are not quite ready to fly with the more experienced jumper. The jump will probably look like two happy idiots grinning at each other all through freefall. Then tracking away in the not quite straight novice track. Our plan is to try to compete in the rookie challenge at our DZ next summer. Hopefully we can make a few points and not kick each other in the head. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brian425 0 #141 December 13, 2003 I know that I'm different and I thoroughly enjoy it. I've been called crazy MANY times. Who cares. When I'm old, I can look back at my life and truly say that I tried everything that I wanted to do. The people wha are crazy are the ones who lock themselves in some safe little cocoon and call that living. They are missing out on life. Everyone needs a little fear or adrenaline shot once in a while. That's why these people go to amusement parks once a year. Oh well, more room in the sky for us. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #142 December 13, 2003 I'd say that someone becomes a skydiver when they have done a true solo, i.e. like a hop and pop, and that they have shown that they will continue in the sport. The only reason I wouldn't call someone who has done one tandem but they claim they are gonna sign up for the 1st jump course very soon, and they say they are gonna continue in the sport, is because lots of first jump students say that. but how many of them actually continue on to be licensed skydivers? very very few. and btw, kel, how U doing? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #143 December 13, 2003 QuoteYou can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. I know that Kallend....that is one of the reasons I am getting mine... just have to get the dives in .. everything else is done. But the damn weather is not very cooperative here in Seattle in the winter. What I was talking about is simple... once someone gets their A license... its time for some of the experienced people to step up and be inclusive of the new people so they can progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #144 December 13, 2003 QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. I'm certainly going to go back up when I get healed, but I'll probably be questioning my sanity! It's kind of like that old joke when you say, "it hurts when I do this" and someone answers, "well, stupid, don't do that then." A month after a hard opening and I'm still under doctors orders not to jump if I want to even consider going to Eloy. I can't even shrug my shoulders without intense pain. You definitely have to have the passion to go back after any kind of major injury, that's for sure.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cindee 0 #145 December 13, 2003 QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. Gee... thanks for clearing that up for me... __________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marcandalysse 0 #146 December 13, 2003 QuoteI can tell you for certain that if I get hurt, and heal enough to be physically able to skydive again, that's exactly what i'll do. And, I can say that without a doubt. Easy to say now.....you've just started skydiving and all is fun and exciting, but when you spend a few months hobbling around, have to take shower sitting down with a bag over your leg, get faint just trying to stand up cause the blood rushes down to your feet that were up in the air for weeks, then months later still wake up with that leg feeling like its a wooden pole until you jump in the hot tub to warm it up and get it moving....or have cervical surgery, or....more... QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. No sane person would NOT ask this question while laying flat on their backs for days or weeks at a time. And it's not a decision that has to be made right away anyway. I promise you that next skydive will be as big as your first tandem....if you decide it was worth all the pain and hassle.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites themitchyone 0 #147 December 13, 2003 QuoteI believe a skydiver is someone who intends to make 'another' skydive. I agree with you. I only have 7 jumps, but my friend who is an experienced jumper has called me a skydiver from the beginning :D. I likey."If the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girl's sports such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cindee 0 #148 December 13, 2003 Quotebut I'll probably be questioning my sanity! That is more of where I am coming from. I think it's because I started jumping out of planes in my 40's and because I have many more responsibilities at this time in my life then I had when I was in college. It's not the fear of jumping out of planes... that's the fun part!__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FLYBERT71 0 #149 December 13, 2003 Brian, If you are on solo status why don't you see if your coaches will do that now. As long as you are not interfearing with their paying jumps. Mabey offer to pay for their slot. That way you get good training and someone who can tell what you may need to work on. Another option is if any licensed jumper wants they can jump with you they just cannot take grips or touch you. You can still practice fall rates, forward and backward movements, stopping on heading after a turn, etc.. just remember to plan the jump, jump the plan and keep it simple. I would also talk to the coaches about the person you want to jump with to see if they would recomend them. "If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive." Josh Whipple 7/15/70-2/10/05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #150 December 13, 2003 QuoteClay, You should definitely donate your brain to science. Chris Science fiction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 6 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
freeflir29 0 #137 December 13, 2003 I have a coach rating....SO all you little people bow....NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh....and send to young virgins to my room....with a roast beef sandwich....no bread.... And a 12 pack of Rolling Rock....Cold.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
suz 0 #138 December 13, 2003 QuoteAt least a couple times a week a whuffo calls me and all my friends stupid. I don't think they realize it but it really pisses me off I find that I get the same reaction. I doubt that they mean it sincerly, but I find that no matter what I say to defend myself, they still stick to their guns by thinking I'm crazy, mad, stupid,etc. I think deep down that they are perhaps a little envy that we get to play in the air and they havent had the chance yet! When you think of it that way, you cant help but smile when they call you crazy, mad, stupid, etc. Don't bother me, I'm living happily ever after Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #139 December 13, 2003 Clay, You should definitely donate your brain to science. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #140 December 13, 2003 I guess I'm just lucky. (it's better to be lucky then good. and I'm not good yet.) I've had several people offer to do some simple two ways and basic belly flying with me after I get my A. Two of my coaches told me that they would like to do a pure fun jump with me after my A where I plan the whole skydive, from the jump run to the landing pattern. (I know it's just extra training from them for free.) I was warned that if my spot is bad and we land off, I get to carry both rigs and buy a double ration of beer. Right now, I am fortunate that I have three other people that I went through AFF with to fly with after we all get our A's. So hopefully we can avoid some of that middle time when we are not quite ready to fly with the more experienced jumper. The jump will probably look like two happy idiots grinning at each other all through freefall. Then tracking away in the not quite straight novice track. Our plan is to try to compete in the rookie challenge at our DZ next summer. Hopefully we can make a few points and not kick each other in the head. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian425 0 #141 December 13, 2003 I know that I'm different and I thoroughly enjoy it. I've been called crazy MANY times. Who cares. When I'm old, I can look back at my life and truly say that I tried everything that I wanted to do. The people wha are crazy are the ones who lock themselves in some safe little cocoon and call that living. They are missing out on life. Everyone needs a little fear or adrenaline shot once in a while. That's why these people go to amusement parks once a year. Oh well, more room in the sky for us. The only time you should look down on someone is when you are offering them your hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #142 December 13, 2003 I'd say that someone becomes a skydiver when they have done a true solo, i.e. like a hop and pop, and that they have shown that they will continue in the sport. The only reason I wouldn't call someone who has done one tandem but they claim they are gonna sign up for the 1st jump course very soon, and they say they are gonna continue in the sport, is because lots of first jump students say that. but how many of them actually continue on to be licensed skydivers? very very few. and btw, kel, how U doing? MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #143 December 13, 2003 QuoteYou can have 15,000+ jumps, a bundle of World records and gold medals, but unless you have a coach rating you are unqualified to do a 2-way with someone with 24 jumps. I know that Kallend....that is one of the reasons I am getting mine... just have to get the dives in .. everything else is done. But the damn weather is not very cooperative here in Seattle in the winter. What I was talking about is simple... once someone gets their A license... its time for some of the experienced people to step up and be inclusive of the new people so they can progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #144 December 13, 2003 QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. I'm certainly going to go back up when I get healed, but I'll probably be questioning my sanity! It's kind of like that old joke when you say, "it hurts when I do this" and someone answers, "well, stupid, don't do that then." A month after a hard opening and I'm still under doctors orders not to jump if I want to even consider going to Eloy. I can't even shrug my shoulders without intense pain. You definitely have to have the passion to go back after any kind of major injury, that's for sure.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cindee 0 #145 December 13, 2003 QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. Gee... thanks for clearing that up for me... __________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #146 December 13, 2003 QuoteI can tell you for certain that if I get hurt, and heal enough to be physically able to skydive again, that's exactly what i'll do. And, I can say that without a doubt. Easy to say now.....you've just started skydiving and all is fun and exciting, but when you spend a few months hobbling around, have to take shower sitting down with a bag over your leg, get faint just trying to stand up cause the blood rushes down to your feet that were up in the air for weeks, then months later still wake up with that leg feeling like its a wooden pole until you jump in the hot tub to warm it up and get it moving....or have cervical surgery, or....more... QuoteIf you have to question whether or not you will go back up once healed, then no, you're not a skydiver yet. No sane person would NOT ask this question while laying flat on their backs for days or weeks at a time. And it's not a decision that has to be made right away anyway. I promise you that next skydive will be as big as your first tandem....if you decide it was worth all the pain and hassle.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themitchyone 0 #147 December 13, 2003 QuoteI believe a skydiver is someone who intends to make 'another' skydive. I agree with you. I only have 7 jumps, but my friend who is an experienced jumper has called me a skydiver from the beginning :D. I likey."If the Bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, it's that girls should stick to girl's sports such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing." - Homer Simpson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cindee 0 #148 December 13, 2003 Quotebut I'll probably be questioning my sanity! That is more of where I am coming from. I think it's because I started jumping out of planes in my 40's and because I have many more responsibilities at this time in my life then I had when I was in college. It's not the fear of jumping out of planes... that's the fun part!__________________________________________________ "If happy little bluebirds fly above the rainbow, why oh why can't I?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLYBERT71 0 #149 December 13, 2003 Brian, If you are on solo status why don't you see if your coaches will do that now. As long as you are not interfearing with their paying jumps. Mabey offer to pay for their slot. That way you get good training and someone who can tell what you may need to work on. Another option is if any licensed jumper wants they can jump with you they just cannot take grips or touch you. You can still practice fall rates, forward and backward movements, stopping on heading after a turn, etc.. just remember to plan the jump, jump the plan and keep it simple. I would also talk to the coaches about the person you want to jump with to see if they would recomend them. "If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive." Josh Whipple 7/15/70-2/10/05 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #150 December 13, 2003 QuoteClay, You should definitely donate your brain to science. Chris Science fiction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
