quade 4 #1 December 17, 2003 http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031217/D7VFS6HG1.html Sigh. And he had been doing so good this week. Beyond the main issue is something almost as disturbing. Quote Bush reiterated that he doesn't read newspapers and prefers getting the news - without opinion, he said - from White House chief of staff Andrew Card and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. And if that's not bad enough . . Quote The president also said he doesn't watch reality television, but the Bushes both watch lots of sports on television and are hoping to see the movies "Something's Gotta Give" and "Elf" over the holidays. The man has really bad taste in movies.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taln1rigr 0 #2 December 17, 2003 In my opinion, he still is ... I'm old fashioned, I know ... call me what you will ... but I completely support & agree with his comments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #3 December 17, 2003 I hear such an amendment would strengthen the institution of marriage as a way to support american families. Now if we could just get a few laws to keep women home where they belong, we could really support the very basis of the family unit in america and provide children with needed moral underpinning to fight the lure of drugs, crime and homosexuality. Stop broken homes! Prevent women from deserting their families for a few extra bucks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 December 17, 2003 Hmm...I'll defer to lawrocket on legalities, but have a couple of thoughts as one might expect. Please keep in mind that I'm a bit toasted. If marriage is considered a religious thing, what business does Congress have enacting any law that has any effect on any establishment of religion in any way? Wouldn't any such ammendment be in contradiction with the first? If marriage is considered a secular thing - why does it matter, unless the government is following the norms of the Church? If it's following the norms of a particular Church, then it IS in violation of the 1st ammendment. The most pressing question on my mind right now, is should I have another beer? I believe I will.Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #5 December 17, 2003 Maybe I too am Old fashioned, but I support what he is doing 100%. I'm not trying to start any fights here, just trying to stand up and let people know that Bush Isn't alone on this one. Quote The man has really bad taste in movies. Oh Come on Quade, That's a little petty, isnt' it?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #6 December 17, 2003 Quote Bush reiterated that he doesn't read newspapers and prefers getting the news - without opinion, he said - from White House chief of staff Andrew Card and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. We ALL know how reporters turn and twist the 'truth' in their broadcasts. Just look at the inaccuracies of skydiving fatality reports to get the flavor on this one. It's good that he doesn't have to confuse the issues with the blantant lying to the public masses that the news feeds us. Better to get it as close to 'straight from the horses mouth' as possible than filtered through a multitude of sources. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dixieskydiver 0 #7 December 17, 2003 Arg! If two consenting ANYONEs want to get married let them! They should have the same benefits as any two people who have chosen to live their lives together. Haven't we been over this before? This is a FREE country were EVERYONE is equal no matter what their race, creed or sexuality. And he wasn't doing so good this week, he was getting so lucky. Hopefully his luck will run out before the next election. Dixie HISPA #56 Facil Rodriguez "Scientific research has shown that 60% of the time, it works every time." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #8 December 17, 2003 Quote They should have the same benefits as any two people who have chosen to live their lives together. I will wholeheartedly agree as soon as someone explains to me what is the source of authority for the government to ensure these benefits. And in that answer, I think the answer to gay marriage will also be found. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #9 December 17, 2003 When the president talks about backing an ordinary bill, I am a little worried, because I know it has to get past Congress first. Yes, they push through some weird stuff, but they usually do a good job of miring things in general. When the president talks about backing a constitutional amendment, I am less worried. This is a bill that, if passed by the U.S. Congress, will then have to be approved by a majority of states' lawmaking bodies before it becomes law, right? And U.S. Congress has to pass it by a 2/3 majority, then 3/4 of the states have to approve it. I'm not worried about 13 states having a (per-state) majority of state congresscritters who are scared whitless of giving up the LGB vote. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #10 December 17, 2003 I say, it's time to get back to basics and to the good old time where it was easy to say who is bad/good, what is right/wrong, and how you should/shouldn't live your life!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #11 December 17, 2003 What people do with regards to their family life has nothing to do with me. I don't care who people want to marry and raise children with, as long as the children are treated well. beyond that, frankly, I have enough to worry about in my own life. what goes on in other people's bedrooms matters not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayhawkJumper 0 #12 December 17, 2003 If you get married, don't you get screwed as far as taxes or something? I've heard the term the "marriage penalty"? Why would you want a legal marriage that bad if you just get screwed over? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #13 December 17, 2003 Quote Now if we could just get a few laws to keep women home where they belong, we could really support the very basis of the family unit in america and provide children with needed moral underpinning to fight the lure of drugs, crime and homosexuality. Stop broken homes! Prevent women from deserting their families for a few extra bucks! Strike out the "where they belong" and "homosexuality" add-in troll-bait, and you aren't too far of the mark! And naturally, the proposed laws you speak of would be ones that lowered the family's federal tax bill so that 2 incomes aren't absolutely necessary for survival, right? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #14 December 17, 2003 *** The man has really bad taste in movies. ______________________________________ Hey, Elf was funny, so there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #15 December 17, 2003 Quote If two consenting ANYONEs want to get married let them! How about if THREE or more consenting adults want to get married?? marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #16 December 17, 2003 Quote How about if THREE or more consenting adults want to get married?? That's a good point, I heard a discussion of it on the radio the other day. In Canada our provincial supreme courts have recently begun to rule in favor of homosexual marriage on the grounds that our charter of rights gives them the freedom to do that. I wonder if they could then deny the same right to a threesome , or how they would rule on a bigamy challenge. I doubt the threesome scenario would happen though, I have a hard time wrapping my otherwise liberal mind around that one.Life is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #17 December 17, 2003 Quote Quote How about if THREE or more consenting adults want to get married?? That's a good point, I heard a discussion of it on the radio the other day. I like chickens. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #18 December 17, 2003 Quote How about if THREE or more consenting adults want to get married?? This argument seems to be a very strange and spurious argument: "The opposition might use homosexual marriage as a lever to gain ground on untraditional marriages that even they would oppose. Therefore even the opposition should oppose homosexual marriage." Can someone please untangle the logical error for me? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #19 December 17, 2003 I'm an old fashioned man and I strongly believe that if 2 people want to get married, one has to be male and the other female, period.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #20 December 17, 2003 Quote I hear such an amendment would strengthen the institution of marriage as a way to support american families. Now if we could just get a few laws to keep women home where they belong, we could really support the very basis of the family unit in america and provide children with needed moral underpinning to fight the lure of drugs, crime and homosexuality. Stop broken homes! Prevent women from deserting their families for a few extra bucks! [writing on note].....Dear Amy, It was lovely to meet you at WFFC this year. I guess you won't be coming out of the house anymore. Hope you enjoy your new position in the VonNowak household. Hey, at least you have the memories. Bestest regards, Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 6 #21 December 17, 2003 Quote The man has really bad taste in movies. Hey! Elf was funny as hell! Grrrrrrrrrrr...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #22 December 17, 2003 Quote I'm an old fashioned man and I strongly believe that if 2 people want to get married, one has to be male and the other female, period. Oh! Thanks for untangling the logic of the Argument from Bigamy. I completely understand the premises and conclusions now. How could I have missed these thoughtful and intelligent connections? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #23 December 17, 2003 Quote Quote I'm an old fashioned man and I strongly believe that if 2 people want to get married, one has to be male and the other female, period. Oh! Thanks for untangling the logic of the Argument from Bigamy. I completely understand the premises and conclusions now. How could I have missed these thoughtful and intelligent connections? Wow, i didn't thgink it was all that groundbreaking, but I'm glad you gained something from it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 December 17, 2003 Quote I'm an old fashioned man and I strongly believe that if 2 people want to get married, one has to be male and the other female, period. I'm an old fashioned guy and think that people should get married for love, not for sex. How their sex parts fit together shouldn't make a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #25 December 17, 2003 Quote I'm an old fashioned guy and think that people should get married for love, not for sex Wow!!, you just OKed Bubba and Mary Jo's marriage __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
