freeflir29 0 #26 December 18, 2003 I love it!!!!! Thanks......What a shit head that guy was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #27 December 18, 2003 Well let me throw a little gasoline on the fire. At least Clinton was elected and not appointed by the supreme court. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #28 December 18, 2003 QuoteAt least Clinton was elected and not appointed by the supreme court. And JFK was...................what? I didn't like him either..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #29 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteAt least Clinton was elected and not appointed by the supreme court. And JFK was...................what? I didn't like him either..... Well for once in these forums I can say I am to young to know what you're talking about. My first president to be really aware of was that loveable scamp Tricky Dick Nixon. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #30 December 18, 2003 I'm too young as well....but I study history. JFK is rumored to have only won the election by "fixing" the votes in Chicago. He got the electoral but not the popular. Seems the mayor owed his election to the Kennedy family. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #31 December 18, 2003 Quotehttp://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.asp I suppose we could expect more from a President, Mr. Kallend. But then I would generally expect someone who holds a Doctorate to offer a more tenable example of low intelligence. FallRate I'm glad you hold me to a higher standard than Captainpooby. However, did you actually READ what Snopes had to say?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #32 December 18, 2003 QuoteWell let me throw a little gasoline on the fire. At least Clinton was elected and not appointed by the supreme court. Did you ever check the recount results?? -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #33 December 18, 2003 QuoteI'm too young as well....but I study history. JFK is rumored to have only won the election by "fixing" the votes in Chicago. He got the electoral but not the popular. Seems the mayor owed his election to the Kennedy family. Well that is a highly respected Democrat tradition, see LBJ congressional election, but things are fixed at the local level where we ordinary folks were involved, not at the supreme court level. Edited to add that I will now go the other direction and claim old age caused me to forget this tidbit of history but now that you bring it up I do recall. God, Dailey the First was a great Mayor! "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #34 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteWell let me throw a little gasoline on the fire. At least Clinton was elected and not appointed by the supreme court. Did you ever check the recount results?? I did say I was throwing gasoline on the fire. I know that the media finally had to admit that GWB took Florida by about 12 votes. This of course implies that the electoral college still is a valid way to hold elections. Popular vote went to robo-canditate and if Nader had gotten out of it when he should have so would the electoral vote. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #35 December 18, 2003 Quoteif Nader had gotten out of it when he should have so would the electoral vote. If Perot would've stayed out => no Clinton -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #36 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteif Nader had gotten out of it when he should have so would the electoral vote. If Perot would've stayed out => no Clinton Popular maybe, electoral, no way. Nader took one or two small states away from Gore that would have won the electoral vote. I think vermont alone would have made the difference and no one would have cared about Florida. Perot's popular support was bigger but spread thinly across more states having a smaller impact on the electoral vote. And at least Perot took a respectable amount of the popular vote his first time around, compared to Nader even the second time around. Although having watched his antics here in Texas before he ran I knew he was looney tunes. http://gi.grolier.com/presidents/results/restable.html 1988 George H. W. Bush, Republican 426 48,881,278 Michael S. Dukakis, Democrat 111 41,805,374 Lloyd M. Bentsen, Jr., Democrat 1 1992 William J. Clinton, Democrat 370 44,908,233 George H. W. Bush, Republican 168 39,102,282 H. Ross Perot, Independent . . . 19,741,048 1996 William J. Clinton, Democrat 379 47,401,185 Robert Dole, Republican 159 39,197,469 H. Ross Perot, Reform . . . 8,085,294 2000 George W. Bush, Republican 271 50,456,169 Al Gore, Democrat 266 50,996,116 Ralph Nader, Green . . . 2,695,696 "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jib 0 #37 December 18, 2003 I didn't look very long, but this suggests Perot's 19% may have made a difference to Bush. http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm -------------------------------------------------- the depth of his depravity sickens me. -- Jerry Falwell, People v. Larry Flynt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #38 December 18, 2003 QuoteI didn't look very long, but this suggests Perot's 19% may have made a difference to Bush. http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm Their own final analysis says it would have made no difference in the final outcome even if everyone who voted for Perot voted for Bush. Pretty much what I said. "Analysis: Perot’s vote totals in themselves likely did not cause Clinton to win. Even if all of these states had shifted to Bush and none of Bush’s victories had been reversed (as seems plausible, in fact, as Bush won by less than 5% only in states that a Republican in a close election could expect to carry, particularly before some of the partisan shifts that took place later in the 1990s – Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Dakota and Virginia), Clinton still would have won the electoral college vote by 281 to 257. But such a result obviously would have made the race a good deal closer." "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #39 December 18, 2003 QuoteHowever, did you actually READ what Snopes had to say? Yes. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #40 December 18, 2003 QuoteQuoteHowever, did you actually READ what Snopes had to say? Yes. FallRate So you know the Clinton pic was doctored, like the Dean pictures. I like this one too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
