PhillyKev 0 #1 December 18, 2003 Scour the internet for your companies email addresses posted anywhere. Have them removed Change email addresses on web site to jave enabled images so that email addresses not in html code. Register a new domain name and run in parallel with existing one Notify all legitimate emailers of new domain Wait a year Retire old domain name Went from 2800 incoming emails a day, to 400. ----------------------- My boss complained that he missed his spam as he hasn't received any the past two days. Offered to go on message boards as him complaining about erectile dysfunction due to cheap prescription drug addiction and asking where to get the Paris Hilton video because I thought it would help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #2 December 18, 2003 Dude!!!, you should LOOK inside the email headers, ALL or most SPAM messages have a HTML tag beginning with a letter "K", and THERE'S NO HTML TAG which contains a K, so, if you detect it, DELETE IT, I've done that and my spam when from zilions to ~20 a day. And you don't have to wait a year.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #3 December 18, 2003 Yeah...we have a scanning appliance that does that stuff. But the email is still received and has to be processed by our servers. Those numbers weren't what gets to the users, but what is sent to our domain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #4 December 18, 2003 Oh I know, but at least you can create a bin or inbox named SPAM and redirect it there, anyway, you know what to do, I was only putting my 2 cents on the table. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #5 December 18, 2003 QuoteALL or most SPAM messages have a HTML tag beginning with a letter "K", and THERE'S NO HTML TAG which contains a K, so, if you detect it, DELETE IT, I've done that and my spam when from zilions to ~20 a day. Example please? I'm sure our filtering software here has this coded in, but if it doesn't... Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #6 December 18, 2003 QuoteOh I know, but at least you can create a bin or inbox named SPAM and redirect it there, anyway, you know what to do, I was only putting my 2 cents on the table. Oh, man, I already do this, and I have to remember to empty the thing (my "spam goes here" box) at LEAST once a week or the next time I accidentally click on it (or intentionally empty it), it takes freakin' forever. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #7 December 18, 2003 QuoteExample please? I'm sure our filtering software here has this coded in, but if it doesn't Check the HEADERS and you'll see something like Blah blah blah or some other crap, but there's a K in the beginning__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #8 December 18, 2003 I'll have to wait until I get the chance to check that, since I don't receive any spam on any account except my hotmail one. I looked at a message our spam assassin caught and filtered, but I couldn't find any html tag with a K.Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 December 18, 2003 I don't know if I buy the k in the header deal. I've been fighting spam for quite some time and never heard that particular one. And any time there is something to distinguish spam from legit mail, spammers are pretty quick to rectify that. Can's say I've ever seen an arbitrary k in an html tag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 December 18, 2003 Just scanned through about 50 spam messages. Not one of them had a k within an html header. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #11 December 18, 2003 I'm finding the same thing. I sure am glad I did some limited research into this before I hit my boss up with it. Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #12 December 18, 2003 Or, instead of playing that game, I think it's pretty easy to use Spam Bayes on the client side. Since I've been using this at the office I've gone from 60 - 80 spams per day to probably 2 or 3 per week that I actually see. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
souleh 0 #13 December 18, 2003 Never come across this global K-Spam thing, and I've been running mailservers and doing general tidying up after users for the last 4 years Shame though, would be nice if it was true. A legal requirement to have an 'X-Spam: true' header 'buttplugs? where?' - geno Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #14 December 19, 2003 Yeah..that would be cool if your boss wasn't going to fire you if you blocked a single legit email, while bitching at you constantly about the amount of spam he gets. I didn't actually go through this process to get rid of spam, we changed domains anyway, just a nice side effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #15 December 19, 2003 Spam Bayes doesn't reject a single email, instead it filters suspect emails to separate folders, at least when run with the Outlook client. When run on the server side it simply adds an extended header (X-Spam-Bayes) with a score. When run on the server side the boss is free to setup client side rules to filter the spam to a separate mail box. Spam Assassin, on the server side, does something similar. This is an interesting article on how to handle spam in today's world. By the way, I'm fighting a similar battle at work right now. The bosses are fed up with spam, yet they'll have my head if I block any legitimate messages. That's why we're investigating Spam Assassin. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #16 December 19, 2003 K appears in , , , , and . Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #17 December 19, 2003 I wish yahoo had better filtering capabilities. I wrote my own spam filters which catch probably 5 times as much spam as yahoo's built in bulk folder. But I could catch a lot more if I could use some more complex filters. Drives me nuts. But together, not much spam actually makes it to my inbox anymore. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #18 December 19, 2003 KBD is the only one that would be caught if you set a filter to look for "Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 December 19, 2003 Spam Assassin is the best thing I've found to keep my job. Email compants about Spam have trickled to only a few a week in a 7000 user environment.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #20 December 19, 2003 QuoteKBD is the only one that would be caught if you set a filter to look for " Well, actually the tag begins with "Of course that's not the only thing I filter, but that was a good hit.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #21 December 19, 2003 QuoteQuoteExample please? I'm sure our filtering software here has this coded in, but if it doesn't Check the HEADERS and you'll see something like Blah blah blah or some other crap, but there's a K in the beginning HTML is not valid ANYWHERE in a SMTP header. Are you sure you don't mean body (the part of the message you normally see) Changing your domain will work for a while until you use your e-mail and get back on the lists. Your SPAM load will start to pick up. We drop over 1 MILLION connections/day just from black lists and delete almost 1M more from spamassassin scoring. The only sure fire 100% guaranteed way to eliminate spam forever is http://tmda.net/. Install it on a server near you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CrazyIvan 0 #22 December 19, 2003 Quote Are you sure you don't mean body Ooops, yes, the body, I mentioned the headers because I was thinking on the other things I filter. Good catch. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #23 December 19, 2003 QuoteSpam Bayes doesn't reject a single email, instead it filters suspect emails to separate folders, I don't think you understand. If any legit email is not delivered to his INBOX, it's the same thing. He's not going to scan through a folder of spam looking for valid stuff, it's my job to make sure he gets ALL the valid stuff without having to hunt for it. For instance....email saying "Move 150 million to account X" can't be put in a folder waiting for him to find it later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #24 December 19, 2003 QuoteI don't think you understand. If any legit email is not delivered to his INBOX, it's the same thing. He's not going to scan through a folder of spam looking for valid stuff, it's my job to make sure he gets ALL the valid stuff without having to hunt for it. Ahh... In that case, the only valid solution for him will be to have his assistant prescreen all of his mail. Unless, of course, he wants to put up with spam. Gotta love the people who say fix it, but don't change a thing. I feel for ya. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #25 December 19, 2003 Quoteemail saying "Move 150 million to account X" can't be put in a folder waiting for him to find it later. Baaaahhh.... what a week or two delay on a small transaction like that! You have a picky boss Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
CrazyIvan 0 #22 December 19, 2003 Quote Are you sure you don't mean body Ooops, yes, the body, I mentioned the headers because I was thinking on the other things I filter. Good catch. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 December 19, 2003 QuoteSpam Bayes doesn't reject a single email, instead it filters suspect emails to separate folders, I don't think you understand. If any legit email is not delivered to his INBOX, it's the same thing. He's not going to scan through a folder of spam looking for valid stuff, it's my job to make sure he gets ALL the valid stuff without having to hunt for it. For instance....email saying "Move 150 million to account X" can't be put in a folder waiting for him to find it later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #24 December 19, 2003 QuoteI don't think you understand. If any legit email is not delivered to his INBOX, it's the same thing. He's not going to scan through a folder of spam looking for valid stuff, it's my job to make sure he gets ALL the valid stuff without having to hunt for it. Ahh... In that case, the only valid solution for him will be to have his assistant prescreen all of his mail. Unless, of course, he wants to put up with spam. Gotta love the people who say fix it, but don't change a thing. I feel for ya. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #25 December 19, 2003 Quoteemail saying "Move 150 million to account X" can't be put in a folder waiting for him to find it later. Baaaahhh.... what a week or two delay on a small transaction like that! You have a picky boss Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
