rehmwa 2 #126 December 24, 2003 Saying you have 'proof' is exactly antithetical to the definition of 'faith' (belief without facts). So when someone says they have 'proof', I have a hard time with the discussion. Talking with someone unusually religious is a lot like arguing with extremely political types (and freeflyers). It's full of "you wouldn't understand" and those types of comments. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #127 December 24, 2003 Should I even bother reading this entire thread? Will I gain some useful knowledge, or is this your typical misguided, inaccurate facts thread? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamhypoxia 0 #128 December 24, 2003 We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. Jonathan Swift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #129 December 24, 2003 Oh boy...here we go. I think it's time for a pre-emptive strike. BOOBIES!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #130 December 24, 2003 Quotegreets: Your post shows how little you know about the Bible. Daniel is a book of prophesy, and NOT the warring nations of the time. His visions in Chapter 7-8-9-11, are total prophesy, and at the end of Chapter * ( I believe its 8) he says that no one understood his visions and he himself didnt even understand them, so he kept them in his heart. He had found them very disturbing because he couldnt explain them. If they had been nothing but news reports, everybody would have known their meanings and understood them. Its you that doesnt understanmd there are an amazing number of religious scholars that completely disagree with you but of course you'll argue that their faith just isnt strong enough despite archeological evidence that backs it. It helps when you look for outside sources of confirmation..one wonders if you’ve ever even tried?? It helps if you go looking for answers with preconceptions, you’ll find the answers you seek everytime, its far to easy to accept what fits and ignore any evidence to the contrary.. to bad ignorance isnt painful... Quote I do not have a Christmas tree in my home. for that at least you have my respect. But your still ‘celebrating’ on ‘our’ calendar QuoteYou are right...Bush wilkl be re-elected, and without spiritual understanding, you will just have to wait and see ( your words). If I was to tell you what would take place before the end of Bush's second term, you couldnt handle it, because the truthis sometimes hard to accept. actually, I am the most unmaterialistic person you will ever meet. i have no issues with truth, i have major issues with crackpot doomsayers of any religion or stripe...the world didnt end in 1000 AD (as many your religious leaders predicted it would) nor did it end in 2000 AD (as many still claimed) so again, put up or shut up. your claiming pre-2008? I'll be there waiting..which dropzone (or better yet to make it more palatable pick a charity of your choice i dont care, but if your going to make such ridiculous claims you'd best be prepared to back them up with more substance than "the bible says and i believe" so how strongly do you believe?? Willing to wager your descendants inheritance on it? I honestly think the Mayans have more credibility for 2012 than you..they at least have a defined repeating pattern. so you amending your will ?? After all you and your children wont need all that stuff at all after his second term ends. somehow I imagine your not, haven’t even considered it, despite claiming the sky is falling so publicly, so much for strength of convictions.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #131 December 24, 2003 as I said, I am very unmaterialistic...I dont have enough to leave my children...they are doing okay on their own. I have NO will, except a strong will to serve the Lord. Sure, lets wait and see pre-2008. As for the Mayan calendar, I think it is reported as Dec 17th 2012. I dont agree that the world will end in that year, but there will be many things happen that will get the attention of the whole world. Hang in there... Even if I had the material to wager with you, I wouldnt gamble on anything...including lotteries. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #132 December 24, 2003 QuoteQuoteWell....I have never met Bill. Obviously he has been around a few years with a D41 license number. That's nice but we aren't really discussing Skydiving here. Are we? So his experience in that field has what to do with this conversation? If you guys just do a little reading, you'll find this guy has bigger balls than most of us will ever have. He deserves to be treated with some respect, even if you don't agree with his views. when he starts talking about skydiving I'll gladly remain quiet and show him the respect due his great achievements, as long as he spouts this continual 'end of days' prophetic BS. I'll freely laugh and dissect his fictional views of reality.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #133 December 24, 2003 Quote Even if I had the material to wager with you, I wouldnt gamble on anything...including lotteries. the rub is if its going to happen it is not gambling.. if i said i'll give you $5 if the sun doesn’t rise tomorrow and you'll give me $5 if it does the only one gambling is me so again its very easy to make such plithy assertions of 'fact', but what will you do when it doesn’t occur? Renounce your faith? or find an excuse as to why you (and your 'word of god' of course you and the others with the same view will claim human error in interpretation, just as they have for the last 2000 years) were mistaken??____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #134 December 24, 2003 Quote If you guys just do a little reading, you'll find this guy has bigger balls than most of us will ever have. He deserves to be treated with some respect, even if you don't agree with his views. You might as well just post it My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #135 December 24, 2003 Quote when he starts talking about skydiving I'll gladly remain quiet and show him the respect due his great achievements, as long as he spouts this continual 'end of days' prophetic BS. This particular thread is about "An attack that could rival or exceed 9/11" Chuteless' posts were about exactly that. He posted a personal belief. What you are doing is wrong. QuoteI'll freely laugh and dissect his fictional views of reality So laugh then. What's you've been posting is more that laughter. I don't know you but it is clear to me that you have no motive other than to agravate. Keep on topic and stop being so mean about it. Contribute something to the thread other than your garbage. Shit! Listen to you with your "Put your money where your mouth is." Do you have any idea how ludicrous that is??? Do you know what Faith means? Obviously the man is religious to the "God-fearing" degree... and you ask him to place a fucking wager!! (BTW, you know gambling is supposed to be a sin right?) And the worst part is, this man was asked to further explain his thoughts... it's not like he's chimed in to force this on others. I don't give a flying-fat-f*ck if you don't like what he has to say... I happen to be interested so let him speak. Methinks you should think before you speak... Me also thinks you should take note of some of the things Billvon has said in the past.. namely to hold on to your reply for a bit before posting it... if in half an hour, you still sound like an ass, perhaps you'd think about not hitting that 'post reply' button. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #136 December 24, 2003 "Cold Steel 17 Cold Steel 17 this is Hard Rock 03.....Repeat over." "Repeat Out." BOOBIES!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #137 December 24, 2003 Quote As fo "lighten up", Christ is the light of my life....to bad you are still in the dark. [Snicker] Now you should lighten up... I was talking to Zennister there. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #138 December 24, 2003 QuoteQuoteI'll disagree with the need to buy a WMD. The Tokyo Sarin attack and the recent Anthrax scares have demonstrated that you don't need to buy the stuff, you can make it. True. The grounding of cropdusters was to prevent widescale Anthrax spreading. The hard part there is that it would have to powdered finely. That takes special machinery. However, just to put a limited scare out there would require little. One of the Tom Clancey books talked about aerosol bio agents. The idea wasn't as much to damage people as to put fear in people. If they were afraid to mingle/do business/shop, then the economy would suffer. That is the target. Don't know which one... but I remember reading about mad aerosol bio agents being released in subway tunnels. I guess stopping the trains would definatley result from this... but the point of the attack would be met. That's the one downside to never having delt with war on your own soil... nobody knows how to deal with it when it comes. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #139 December 24, 2003 QuoteDon't know which one... but I remember reading about mad aerosol bio agents being released in subway tunnels. I guess stopping the trains would definatley result from this... but the point of the attack would be met. I think it was a group called Falun Gong (going from memory). They released a gas attack on a commuter train. The Japanese make mad use of trains. Airline travel halted here. Imagine LA if no one could drive. In the Tom Clancy book, aerosol was released at trade shows and conventions. QuoteThat's the one downside to never having delt with war on your own soil... nobody knows how to deal with it when it comes. We have a pretty good indicator. WTC attacks. We know the response. That is a pretty good example. Try that, the military comes and f---s up your health record. An attack may occur, but they now understand that the repercussions are pretty harsh. The lesson has not been lost on governments. A govt that supports the attacks/attackers will be removed. There is a lot of politicians who will protect their own butts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #140 December 24, 2003 if someone wants to discuss terrorist activities and its world wide ramifications i'm all for it.. however what he's posting about is not about any attack, its a preposterous claim that the work of these terrorists is in fact inspired and driven by 'the great enemy of our lord'. Do you realize how little that does to address the real issues? if someone wants to claim said terrorist activities are the result of biblical prophesy and we are living in end times ("so all you sinners best repent" implied) i'm certainly not going to sit by and let such drivel stand unchallenged. Far to many people of every faith are laying there lives on the line to stand against such religious extremism and yet because its coming from a christian you expect us to nod complacently and agree?? perhaps you should spend a little time reading some of the garbage put forth as fact by those like Chuteless who have repeatedly over the last two thousand years said the exact same thing and been proven equally wrong.... tell me do you think anyone who believes that "we are living in end times" is going to come out and admit that perhaps they were wrong and therefore perhaps some of the basic assertions of their religion are equally wrong when the 'appointed hour' passes?? please.. he is free to speak, i'm not stopping him, but i'm certainly not going to let such ridiculous assertions stand unchallenged. Ignorant attitudes such as those do nothing but continue to divide humanity into "us" and "them" and if you don’t understand that they (and not some divine prophecy) are as much a part of the problem as any muslim cleric preaching hate you are sadly mistaken____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #141 December 24, 2003 Anyhooo.... My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #142 December 24, 2003 QuoteAnyhooo.... exactly the point now if we could get back to the actual topic without silly religious assertions as to 'what's really goin on per this dusty old book'... [qoute] WMD [/qoute] wait for it......wait for it...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #143 December 24, 2003 "Cold Steel 17.....Cold Steel 17.....This is Hardrock 03. Request All American Thunder grid CH643 179 Over." BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES BOOBIES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #144 December 24, 2003 QuoteThat's the one downside to never having delt with war on your own soil... nobody knows how to deal with it when it comes. Well, So much knowledge amazes me. You seem to forget the independence war, the French war, the Mexican war, the Civil war..... As for the comments against Chutless, it is funny that Bill's comment about Orson Wells is taken in the same light, no one makes fun. But Hey, everyone is entitled to their own theories, despite the abhorrent sentiment of many liberals, that freedoms have been curtailed by the present administration. Just my 2 cts."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #145 December 24, 2003 If you will wipe the foam from your mouth and listen for a second you might understand what Goose is trying to say. He isn't telling you not to disagree with Bill, he's telling you are being disagreeable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
