quade 4 #1 December 24, 2003 http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/12/23/threat.level/index.html Quick quote -- Quote LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- In response to the national terrorism alert, Los Angeles police have made "a number of pre-emptive arrests," a high-ranking LAPD source said Tuesday. Those arrests were made in the past 48 hours and included people who came to authorities' attention after the September 11, 2001, al Qaeda terror attacks in the United States. Yikes! I hope they freekin' know what they're doing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #2 December 24, 2003 QuoteThose arrests were made in the past 48 hours and included people who came to authorities' attention after the September 11, 2001 Most of these guys are probably people they have open cases on that have been going since 2001. The threat situation just forced them to make the arrests earlier than they probably would have liked. It's a situation of "either we arrest them now and risk losing the case in court or we leave them on the street and risk them conducting a terrorist act". "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 December 24, 2003 Quote It's a situation of "either we arrest them now and risk losing the case in court or we leave them on the street and risk them conducting a terrorist act". I understand the sentiment. I am totally against arresting people based on what information they "might" have. This is a very slippery slope that it appears we've already started down.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 December 24, 2003 Quoteprobably people they have open cases on Quade...I think you missed this part. They already have an open case......they aren't arresting them for "information." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #5 December 24, 2003 I think that this patriot act thing a majjiggee is totally sketchy... I don't believe in it, I don't support it, I disagree with it. BOOOOO! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #6 December 24, 2003 QuoteI am totally against arresting people based on what information they "might" have. The police can't arrest someone for that. They can issue a material witness subpoena for someone who has information about a crime where they have to come and testify to a Grand Jury. If they don't show up for the Grand Jury then they can be arrested. The police are arresting these people based on evidence that they are involved in a crime. A judge or Grand Jury has determined that the evidence available proves there is "probable cause" to believe they have committed a crime and issued an arrest warrant. The problem is that you have to prove that they committed the crime "beyond a reasonable doubt" at trial. The police may not have that level of evidence yet and didn't want to arrest them at this time. The Code Orange forced their hand. Now they will be in a race against time to gather enough evidence to convict them before they go to trial. If they are not convicted or the police fail to gather the evidence in time I'm sure everyone will just claim they were picking on these guys. Seems to be a developing trend these days. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #7 December 24, 2003 QuoteQuoteprobably people they have open cases on Quade...I think you missed this part. They already have an open case......they aren't arresting them for "information." First it was "probably ... open cases", then it was "already have an open case". Next it will be "they are guilty, why bother with a trial". They imprisoned Jose Padilla without due process of law, didn't they? The amazing thing to me is that so many people writing in this forum agree with that action but think the authorities will follow the Constitution now. Alice in Wonderland!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #8 December 24, 2003 QuoteFirst it was "probably ... open cases", then it was "already have an open case". Next it will be "they are guilty, why bother with a trial". SIG HEIL!!!! Relax.......the FBI isn't quite the Waffen SS just yet. Now...you wanna see Nazi Storm troopers....check out the BATF. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #9 December 24, 2003 QuoteThey imprisoned Jose Padilla without due process of law, didn't they? The amazing thing to me is that so many people writing in this forum agree with that action but think the authorities will follow the Constitution now. Alice in Wonderland! You've figured us out Kallend. We (the police) are really just out to arrest people because it is fun. Who cares about the Constitution anyway. It's all in the interpretation. I especially like the part of the arrest where I get to pull my gun out and yell "get on the ground you maggot!". Gets me all giddy inside. I usually get my buddies to take pictures of me in my firing stance while making the arrest. Makes for nice portraits around the house especially when my jackboots are all shined up and pretty. How is that for smartassed? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 December 24, 2003 We did this shit back in NI in the 70s. All it did was to fill the ranks of PIRA and the coffers of Sinn Fienn. Guess America will just have to learn the hard way. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rfarris 2 #11 December 24, 2003 Damn.. I thought this thread was going somewhere good. Go to Blockbuster and rent the movie "The Usual Suspects" or go to Wally World and buy it. It's a kick ass movie. Plus It'll take your mind off this other B.S. mentioned. On a more controversial note, fuck em. They shouldn't have given them a reason to classify them as "usual suspects". Flame on. Cya at the top. Rod Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 December 24, 2003 Quoterent the movie "The Usual Suspects" "Oswald was a PUNK!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #13 December 24, 2003 QuoteWe did this shit back in NI in the 70s. Belfast is not Los Angeles. Unless you believe Kobe and Shaq are Al Qaida operatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #14 December 24, 2003 And I guess if we have a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, you will be saying how much the administration failed us. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #15 December 24, 2003 Quote And I guess if we have a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, you will be saying how much the administration failed us. That seems to be the SOP of the left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #16 December 24, 2003 Something gives me the feeling they would find fault with Mother Theresa. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 December 24, 2003 Quote And I guess if we have a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, you will be saying how much the administration failed us. If you suspect someone of a conspiracy to commit terrorism and have enough proof to arrest them, then fine, go right ahead, I have no issue with that. If, on the other hand, you arrest someone on sketchy charges of credit card fraud in the hopes they have information about a terrorist threat . . . no, that just doesn't fly. Yet, according to the article, that's exactly what the LAPD has done. From the current article on the CNN web site: Quote The man arrested was charged with fraud -- not terrorism -- but likely would not have been picked up at this time were it not for the heightened terrorism concerns, LAPD sources said. If the man is really was a threat or has conspiratorial information, why didn't they arrest him two weeks ago? This is simply not logical.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 December 25, 2003 You sure? I'm sure I passed a sign for Hollywood! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #19 December 25, 2003 QuoteAnd I guess if we have a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11, you will be saying how much the administration failed us. We already had one, and they already did.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
