Hazarrd 1 #1 December 30, 2003 Alright, so I've been on about 4 flights with my rig so far (rountrip, so 8 planes). While everyone in the skydiving community complains about the TSA being to strict about bringing rigs on, no one seems to sit back for a second and think about it. You are carrying on something that has the potential to be a bomb and you are telling them they "can't open it up." Jesus. Think about that. I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreement over this, but I don't think we should be able to carry our rigs on the plane anymore. What if a terrorist was able to pack a container full of some explosives and get on board with it? Every time I fly out of BWI (baltimore) it goes right through the X-ray and they don't say a word. Boston is the only place where I get a lot of problems, which I don't mind. In Colorado, you present your little plastic Cypres card that says it can't be disconnected from the rig, and they wave you through. Whoopdeedoo. That would really convince me if I was working for th TSA. Does anyone else see a problem here? How many people have accidently gotten through with their hook knife on their rig? I've done it twice. Wake up TSA. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #2 December 30, 2003 Consider investing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #3 December 30, 2003 Good point, but, why you should be wearing clothes when boarding a plane?, I mean, a terrorist can have woven explosives in their coats, shirts AND EVEN UNDERWEAR...THE HORROR!!!, and shoes!!!, oh boy, now THAT'S dangerous. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #4 December 30, 2003 I think it would be a reasonable requirement to fly with your rig unpacked (main and reserve) if they treat it carefully and curteously. I think most people complain because the TSA sometimes does such lovely things as cut through the main flaps to get the main out, cut the reserve risers, cut the cypres wires, and cut anything else they can get a knife to. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #5 December 30, 2003 QuoteConsider investing OMFG!!! LMAO!!!! I can't breathe! Damn, that was good! See? Talkback IS entertainment!It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #6 December 30, 2003 You realize in your second to last sentence that you publicly admitted to commiting a felony? Might want to edit that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #7 December 30, 2003 QuoteI think most people complain because the TSA sometimes does such lovely things as cut through the main flaps to get the main out, cut the reserve risers, cut the cypres wires, and cut anything else they can get a knife to. When and where? I don't believe it._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 December 30, 2003 Do a search, it's been posted here, or look through parachutist, an incident was described there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #9 December 30, 2003 What makes you think your rig has any resemblence to an explosive device? People carry all sorts of things onto airplanes, and anything resembling an explosive device, or weapon of any kind will be inspected further. There is little difference between carrying on your rig or checking it as baggage. In fact you can be more sure that you carry-on is checked as it occurs in a public location with people watching it happen. Who knows what the baggage checker behind the scenes is doing? If my rig is allowed on the plane, I'll keep it under my control, and comply with any TSA requests for for further inspection while I am present and assisting in order to protect my property. If you are implying that rigs should not be permitted on airliners at all, and that they should be shipped to your destination as cargo, remember that airlines will sell unused payload space to cargo carriers all day long in order to maximize revenue from each flight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #10 December 30, 2003 Here's a reference to a Parachutist article: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=610144;search_string=TSA%20cut;#610144. I do not have the magazine in question, but I believe the poster. There were other references, I just can't find them right now. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #11 December 30, 2003 i only had a problem once,but after i talked to some personal they agreed to bring it to the cabin,but locked up whith the pilots.It were a BASE rig packed slider off QuoteHow many people have accidently gotten through with their hook knife on their rig? a hookknife is sharp but most of them you can only use to cut the cabinpersonals hair whith(unless they let you take a finger)you cant stap whith it(atleast not the once we use regular(i know CREW has some serrius knives some times). Sometimes i just think people over react by seeing terroists all over. by the way if you do carry a bomb,then it dosnt matter if its in the cabin or by the rest of the bagage,you´ll die anyway if it explode Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 December 30, 2003 That little Xray machine does a lot more then just shoot Xrays. It also looks for things like organic traces that indicate potential explosive material. The scanning machine uses technology similar to CAT Scanners and the like to examine the contents of an item and create a false color representiation of the item to make it easier to determine what the item is. And I'll banish you to the farthest regions on this planet if you make it any harder to take my rig with me... Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #13 December 30, 2003 QuoteGood point, but, why you should be wearing clothes when boarding a plane?, I mean, a terrorist can have woven explosives in their coats, shirts AND EVEN UNDERWEAR...THE HORROR!!!, and shoes!!!, oh boy, now THAT'S dangerous. Maybe this is what you meant, but the fabric itself may be the explosive. Nitrocellulose, for example, can be made into a fabric not unlike nylon.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 December 30, 2003 good thing your not an elected official!! that kind of kneejerk ignorant response "we have to DO something!! what about the children?!?"to a threat is exactly how we got the lovely system we have, that still does little to nothing to change your actual threat level while flying.. someone needs to wake up and do a bit of research before proposing such misguided fear responses...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samhussey 0 #15 December 30, 2003 Incidentally, does anyone know what a CYPRES looks like going through an x-ray? I'd imagine it would look suspicious... Is there a way a security guy can check that it is exactly what we tell them it is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 December 30, 2003 turn it on?? lol that will scare them.. it they are that worried about your rig there are several non-invasive ways to do a more detailed check for residue...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samhussey 0 #17 December 30, 2003 LOL, that would be soooo funny! Imagine the faces as it counts down... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #18 December 30, 2003 QuoteLOL, that would be soooo funny! Imagine the faces as it counts down... Especially Cypres 2 from 10 to 0 __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #19 December 30, 2003 QuoteYou are carrying on something that has the potential to be a bomb and you are telling them they "can't open it up." Really? If has th potential to be a bomb then why do we have it in our rigs and on our backs? Why when one fires the person does not get injured? QuoteI don't think we should be able to carry our rigs on the plane anymore. Maybe you should stay paranoid in your own little world. The problem is that the certain TSA members are not trained to properly handle the rigs. At least one agent should be trained in every aspect. If this happened then there would not be any issues. Hell the last time we flew and showed the guy the FAA letter it was still an issue because he is not trained properly. As for you I would ask that you kindly stay out of the sky until you become more educated on the sport as a whole yourself. Thank You. There is no reason to be in a state of panic about what if's. Things happen. Yes there are ways to prevent them but in the long run it would start to interfere with our Freedom. We seemed to be doing fairly well before 9-11. No matter what we do maniacs and goofballs are still going to exist and try to hurt others for no good reason! Laters, KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #20 December 30, 2003 When I got my CYPRES, I also got an x-ray image on a lamented wallet card which I found very useful when coming back from Puerto Rico. PS. Ivan just wants everyone to go nude so he could see more boobies although not a bad idea------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #21 December 30, 2003 QuotePS. Ivan just wants everyone to go nude so he could see more boobies BUSTED!!!! __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #22 December 30, 2003 QuoteIvan just wants everyone to go nude so he could see more boobies The problem with that is you have to take the good with the bad! Laters, The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #23 December 30, 2003 QuoteIncidentally, does anyone know what a CYPRES looks like going through an x-ray? I'd imagine it would look suspicious... Is there a way a security guy can check that it is exactly what we tell them it is? et voila. This is a simple scan of my cypres card which comes when you buy a cypres. I have to say the TSA treated me very well when travelling last month with my rig as carry. Not even a batted eyelid and thats the way it should stay. They know what they are looking at.Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #24 December 30, 2003 QuoteIncidentally, does anyone know what a CYPRES looks like going through an x-ray? Yeah....looks just like a bomb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #25 December 30, 2003 QuoteLOL, that would be soooo funny! Imagine the faces as it counts down... MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
