tunaplanet 0 #1 January 1, 2004 You can vote for more than one if you feel it applies. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 January 1, 2004 Oswald -- lone gun man -- get over it. BTW, ABC/Discovery/Peter Jennings recently did a SPECIAL about it. Very good. Reruns on Discovery every once in awhile. More info on the SPECIALquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #3 January 1, 2004 It wasnt me.. I swear.. I wasnt even there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #4 January 1, 2004 i voted for the mafia. when his dad screwed over the mob in chicago, i think that sealed his fate."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycutie 0 #5 January 1, 2004 I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no president!! MEN: you can't live with 'em, you can't shoot 'em, but you can act psychotic and keep 'em off balance. HISPA #10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #6 January 1, 2004 Actually, that special was lacking. They addressed the magic bullet theory, but completely ignored the timing of the shots and trajectory of the head shot. The timing of the shots with the same rifle used by Oswald has yet to be duplicated, and the trajectory of the head shot is believed to be from a different direction. Not that it keeps me up at night, but I'll "get over it" when those questions are answered. By the way, I didn't vote on this. I have no idea. It may very well have been Oswald acting alone, but unfortunately some asshat from Dallas shot him before trial. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #7 January 1, 2004 Oswald went out and practiced with that rifle also. He came home with his rifle one day and told his wife nonchalantly that he had tried to shoot a public figure and missed. She didn't take it too seriously at the time. Apparently, he had tried an assassination before and improved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #8 January 1, 2004 jack ruby"Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallfreak 0 #9 January 1, 2004 I have an alibi. I was in a different state. I remember it very well, tho. The whole city of Atlanta got still and quiet for a couple of hours. Not much traffic and almost no noise. Pretty impressive for such a large city. I was only 15 years old and was working part time for Western Union downtown at the time. I guess that's one of those moments that a person never forgets. TripleF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #10 January 1, 2004 Quotei voted for the mafia. when his dad screwed over the mob in chicago, i think that sealed his fate. When JFK was living in the states, it was discovered that he was dating a foreign agent. His dad got him sent to the Pacific to avoid scandal. Then, he wrecks a PT boat by colliding with a destroyer. One of the fastest most maneuverable boats made and he gets run over. Him and Lyndon started the "Great Society" programs. The basis for the worst of the welfare system. The economy was doing pretty well before he started f---ing it up. JFK messed up just about anything he ever touched. He got elected because he was stylish and handsome. I don't know who shot him, but it wasn't a small list of suspects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #11 January 1, 2004 QuoteI shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot no president!! I outshot the sheriff. They're not gonna let me anywhere near the president. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 January 1, 2004 Quote They addressed the magic bullet theory, but completely ignored the timing of the shots and trajectory of the head shot. The timing of the shots with the same rifle used by Oswald has yet to be duplicated, and the trajectory of the head shot is believed to be from a different direction. Actually, I just watched the special again a couple of nights ago. They go into great detail specifically about the timing of the shots and how, in fact, it would have been fairly easy for a marksman such as Oswald to have done it. His military shooting scores in fact show him doing much the same thing, in much the same time at over twice the distance.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #13 January 1, 2004 I thought was O.J __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #14 January 1, 2004 I'm with Quade on this one. It's my New Year's resolution. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
algboy 0 #15 January 1, 2004 QuoteOswald -- lone gun man -- get over it. BTW, ABC/Discovery/Peter Jennings recently did a SPECIAL about it. Very good. Reruns on Discovery every once in awhile. More info on the SPECIAL Actually-very bad. Very Bad. Oswald couldn't have possibly fired the shots in the time span based upon his training and the gun supposedly used. Secondly, even a novice in ballistics could tell that the shot which killed Kennedy came from the front: snapping head back; huge exit wound at the REAR of head, doctored forensic reports showing bullet wounds on back higher than actually occurred. HELLO?? The Warren Commission "believers" are a joke. Magic bullets anyone? Anyone have a problem with the fact that ALL assasinations seem to involve a "lone nut"? I think this theory works mostly on the the ignorant masses. Thank you for shopping at WalMart. Have a nice day . . . . Would you like fries with that, ma'am??“Keep your elbow up!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #16 January 1, 2004 I know the asshat was Jack Ruby. "Some asshat" gives him the recognition he deserves...he was a fuckin' idiot. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #17 January 1, 2004 Quotein fact, it would have been fairly easy for a marksman such as Oswald to have done it. He'd be the only one. Last I heard, no one has been able to duplicate this feat with the weapon he supposedly used. Much the same thing, in much the same time, is not the same thing or the same time. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 January 1, 2004 I'm guessing you didn't actually see the special I'm talking about. According to the information presented in the special -- it would be trivial for -any- marksman with similar abilities. Which, by the way, were good, but not anything spectacular.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #19 January 1, 2004 Saw the special. There were some things that Peter J. didn't even touch on that I've seen in other specials. Granted, no matter what, there's still going to be the conspiracy behind it. Items not touched by Peter J. that I've seen in other specials: 1. There was a second film shot opposite the Zabruder(?) film. Guy who shot it swore that there was a shot from the grassy knoll. FBI came and got his canister of film, never saw/heard from them again. 2. There's a photo that was digitally enhanced from the other side of the street facing the same direction as the disappearing canister - Enhancement of photo gives the viewer the impression of someone looking down the rifle of a gun. 3. Coffin that went into AirForce1 was different than what came out. There are others, but it's late and this is enough to keep the conspiracy going. The Peter J. special was good, but didn't address all the conspiracy points. That needed to be done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #20 January 1, 2004 No doubt that LHO couldn't have been the lone assassin. He was a mediocre shot at best. None of the FBI's sharpshooters could duplicate the accuracy and timing he supposedly executed. Not even that, but on the Zapruder film, it is painfully obvious that the final and fatal headshot came from the front. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boudy 0 #21 January 1, 2004 Yeah, I'm sorry I missed the special now. From what I heard, it was a convincing analysis of the evidence. I was drifting towards accepting the lone nut-ball theory but then I saw a replay of this on C-SPAN last week: " Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K. from November 24, 2003 From the National Press Club in Washington, DC, Barr McClellan discusses his book “Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K.” Forty years after the assassination, Mr. McClellan, sets out to substantiate his allegations of a high-level conspiracy in Texas that led to John F. Kennedy's death and Johnson's succession as President. Mr. McClellan, a former member of L.B.J.'s legal team, documents his assertions with insider interviews, hundreds of newly released court papers and the findings of the Warren Commission." (don't know if it'll play again) In his presentation, the author was quite blatantly accusing LBJ & associates of all sorts of nefarious schemes from stealing elections & wholesale corruption to murdering witnesses/accomplices and ultimately to committing the crime of the century to short circuit an investigation that could send LBJ to jail. I didn't like LBJ but found the very boldness of the charges mind-numbing, particulary given the author's former insider legal position and the detailed links he described between the cast of characters. Maybe McCLellan is considered a crackpot by those in the know - if not, I'd be interested to see how his story squares with your ABC special or if they addressed his story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 January 1, 2004 Even MORE information about the special as well as DVD and VHS sales of the special -- HERE.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #23 January 1, 2004 Yes, I do believe I saw the same special you mentioned. Again, it doesn't matter what was claimed in the special. It's simply a fact: the feat has not been reproduced. The claim made is that it shouldn't be any trouble to reproduce the feat, but this is not the same as actually reproducing the feat, which was not accomplished in the special, and hasn't been accomplished otherwise. Trivial...OK, then do it. That's it. So...No, it was not addressed. Like I said, I don't know who did it. I do know that there are questions concerning the official story. (Oh yeah, I have never seen the movie "JFK". Don't go there!) FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 January 1, 2004 Quote It's simply a fact: the feat has not been reproduced. When you say this, do you mean that literally, as in nobody has sat in the Texas Schoolbook Depository and fired the same type of rifle at a car moving through Dealy Plaza at the exact same speed as the Kennedy car and hit another President -- blah, blah, blah? Ok, I guess you're right. Nobody seems to have done that. If however, you mean has anyone ever managed to get off three fairly accurate shots on a moving target at approximately the same distance in the eight or so seconds with the same type of rifle -- well, yeah, actually people have done that. In fact, as I said before, Oswald's own military marksmanship scoresheets show him doing it at a bit over twice the range (admittedly with a different bolt action rifle however).quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #25 January 1, 2004 QuoteIn fact, as I said before, Oswald's own military marksmanship scoresheets show him doing it at a bit over twice the range (admittedly with a different bolt action rifle however). Care to post a link to this? Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
