Funny.. Isn't it how the media has selective memory

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Does anybody remember this jet crashing into Queens New York..Barely 2 months after 9 11?
Article here

I was in Queens yesterday and at the WTC memorial and was wondering why I haven't heard anything on the news about this one that you would think would be talked about and have been suspected as terrorism.

Can anybody explain this one?

I travel the land, Work in the ocean, Play in the sky

[billvon 3,100]

?? I remember a lot of speculation about terrorism. There was just never any evidence that it was anything other than mechanical failure.

[JoeyRamone 0]

terrorism was ruled out on that crash.

[ScubaSteve 0]

The tail fell of an AirBuss A300 if I recall correctly. I personally think that is just as scary as a terrorist attack.

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Hell yeah... Everybody died Not to mention the apartment buildings that it slammed into.

I leave town on a regular basis and cannot always get to reliable news. I had expected to hear more about this one.. Perhaps this event was simply dwarfed by the 9 11 stuff a few miles away

I travel the land, Work in the ocean, Play in the sky

[Pick 0]

Talking about terrorism that isn't there wouldn't accomplish much good, would it? (not that it stops anyone)

There's been ALLOT of talk and action to prevent the actual cause from happening again......but it isn't really the type of material that the news media typically reports on.

Allot of people remember........and don't find it funny at all. Thanks.

[Muenkel 0]

That plane crash startled everyone not just because it was a horrible tragedy, but it was the first major plane crash since 9/11 and it just happpened to crash so close to ground zero. Hence the quick speculation of terrorism. Also, that particular town in the Rockaways lost many of its citizens on 9/11. But it was proven to be a mechanical failure.

Chris

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Chris

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Thanks for the update.. I'm not trying to troll you guys.. I just haven't heard anything about it and had forgotten about it until I was in Queens the other day. I had gone to sea in December of that year and my interest was once again sparked.

I travel the land, Work in the ocean, Play in the sky

[sundevil777 102]

It took a long time, but they finally realized that full deflection of the rudder back and forth would likely overstress any commercial jet:

For accurate reporting on aviation incidents, go to Aviation Week:

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=1959&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnews%2Fchannel_comm.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2Fcntsb0208.xml

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Thanks sundevil I'll add that to my faves..

BTW I like your endline

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[Lee03 0]

Not funny at all. The media has always had a selective memory! Selective unless it supports their agenda!

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To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities.

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[Muenkel 0]

The plane crash I'm still suspicious of is TWA 800. Was that ever proven to be a mechanical failure or were they never able to gather enough evidence to prove either way?

Chris

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Chris

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that's what I was expecting with the crash in queens.. A long drawn out public investigation, just like the twa flight 800.

Then again I am a sucker for controversy

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[penniless 0]

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Not funny at all. The media has always had a selective memory! Selective unless it supports their agenda!

Since it was well reported at the time AND after the investigation was complete, I fail to see what your comment is meant to achieve except trolling.

[Lee03 0]

Nope, the comment was not a troll. The media has lied, spun/twisted/distorted facts, made up stories that were later proven to be false, interfeared or attempted to interfear with election results, attempted to direct, shape, mold opinions, etc. This has been brought to light. Not a troll, just a statement of fact.

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To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities.

--Nevil Shute, Slide Rule

[newsstand 0]

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Nope, the comment was not a troll. The media has lied, spun/twisted/distorted facts, made up stories that were later proven to be false, interfeared or attempted to interfear with election results, attempted to direct, shape, mold opinions, etc.

Just like the government does, regardless of party in power.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[Lee03 0]

"Just like the government does, regardless of party in power."

Yep newsstand, absolutely correct!

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To put your life in danger from time to time ... breeds a saneness in dealing with day-to-day trivialities.

--Nevil Shute, Slide Rule

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?? I remember a lot of speculation about terrorism. There was just never any evidence that it was anything other than mechanical failure.

As I recall, the tail section that fell off was built with composites and not metal, as you'd find on a Boeing plane (so far anyway...). This particular plane had been written up on the flightline, prior to delivery, for a delamination of the composite material in the tail. A delamination is when layers of the composite start seperating, for those of you not familiar with composites. Think of layers of cloth, impregnated with resin. When cured under heat and pressure, the resin flows and binds all those layers together into a very strong part, but delaminations are a common recognized defect in the process. Anyway, the engineering fix on that particular problem was to rivet the delaminated section. It has been suspected of leading up to the failure. I was still working at Boeing as a final assembly inspector at the time and we read everything we could on this accident to keep ourselves up on what could go wrong, even though our planes were all metal.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[sundevil777 102]

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the engineering fix on that particular problem was to rivet the delaminated section. It has been suspected of leading up to the failure.

Check out the link in my earlier post and this one (NTSB hearing):

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=2316&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnews%2Fchannel_comm.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2Fcsys1029.xml

An interesting quote from the Aviation Week article:

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Sources close to AA said the airline believes the A300-600's rudder system design and inadequate information about the design's unique features set the stage for the Flight 587 disaster. AA claims that the A300-600's rudder pedals are too sensitive. Specifically, getting the pedals to move at all requires more force than getting them from that point to full travel. At Flight 587's speed of about 250 knots, the pedals would have been limited to less than two inches of travel. While other airliner designs include varying pedal-travel distances based on airspeed (available rudder travel is likewise limited, to help guard against overstressing the airframe), most require more pressure to pin the pedals than to get the rudder moving in the first place.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[sundevil777 102]

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The plane crash I'm still suspicious of is TWA 800. Was that ever proven to be a mechanical failure or were they never able to gather enough evidence to prove either way?

Check out (again, from aviation week):

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/search/autosuggest.jsp?docid=4890&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aviationnow.com%2Favnow%2Fnews%2Fchannel_maint.jsp%3Fview%3Dstory%26id%3Dnews%2Frntsb0118.xml%3E

The center fuel tank had little fuel, and with the air conditioning units underneath the tank operating for a long time while it was on the ground, the fuel was hotter than normal, allowing a low energy ignition source to set it off.

This is not the first time that fuel tanks have exploded. Hopefully with the attention this disaster received, and the many changes that will be put in place, it will be the last.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[DJL 235]

This was all over the news. I saw it and I don't even watch the news.

As for TWA 800; it was an internal explosion. No terrorist attack or missile misfire. The streak that many people saw was fire coming off of the plane in the first explosion and then (surprise, surprise) the second larger explosion was directly in line with that.

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