kmcguffee 0 #26 January 8, 2004 Quote- 10th Mountain Division (Army) - 82nd Airborne (Army) I've never seen these two divisions considered Special Forces. They are conventional light infantry with specialized missions. They don't fall under SOCOM they are under the 18th Airborne Corps. The Ranger Battalions are dual hatted. The Ranger Regiment falls under SOCOM but also performs conventional missions. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #27 January 8, 2004 Some confusion on where Delta recruits from. Here's the skinny... Delta recruits from 3 places. - US Army active duty - US Army Reserve - National Guard As of this moment in time, that's it. Stating Delta only recruits from Rangers is a bunch of hogwash. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #28 January 8, 2004 QuoteI've never seen these two divisions considered Special Forces. They are conventional light infantry with specialized missions. They don't fall under SOCOM Incorrect. Those units, like many others I have yet listed are considered Special Forces. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #29 January 8, 2004 Quoteare considered Special Forces They have not, to my knowledge, every fallen under USASOC, JSOC, or USSOCOM... the 82nd and 10th are part of the 18th ABN Corps, and while special, are not a standing Special Operations Force (which would be the all encompassing title for forces of that nature) Some units, like a MEU, might be capable of special operations (and be called Special Operations Capable). A few units that were left out... 160th SOAR; 1st SO Avn Wing.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #30 January 8, 2004 QuoteIncorrect. Those units, like many others I have yet listed are considered Special Forces I was in the 82nd...And I don't every remember being called Special Forces....Unless you count the "Special" that rides the short bus. I have heard some people refer to Airborne as "Special Forces"...They were folks that were not in SOCOM or JSOC. If you can prove other wise that would be cool. I can change my resume to Special Forces, instead of MRE fed, Beer cooled, Trained Killer for the Goverment."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #31 January 8, 2004 When we say "Special Forces" in this thread, we are referring to SOC (Special Operations Capable) units. Technically, Special Forces refers to the select units in the US Army, as we stated earler. In this thread, I am refering to "special forces" as any unit that is SOC. We commonly refer to many units that are SOC as "Special Forces", such as MEU, Force Recon, Marine Snipers, DAP, SRT, FAST, DEVGRU, Red Cell (until their demise in 1996), and so on. Now granted, some of these units are far easier than others to get into. Take for instance, the 82nd Airborne. This course is a cake-walk. Same as the 10th, etc... If you disagree with any information I have disposed in this or any other thread, let me know and I will provide you with phone numbers and contacts of mine throughout all the branches to verify these statements and bring you up tp speed. If you feel more comfortable, PM me and I'll email you the information. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #32 January 8, 2004 Ah, yes, terms of usage lead to this. You're speaking of Special Operations. Special Forces are a different thing. I'm an Army REMF, and from what I was told when I was being aked to join SF by a couple of NCO buddies who were in it (no thanks, I like to be dry, warm, well fed and similarly ranked women in my carreer field). On the other hand, special operations includes a whole bunch of other special skills. When I hear "SOC" I think "Special Operations Command." Need some folks who know how to get a nuclear power plant going? Contact Civil Affairs. How abotu someone who knows how to set up an electric grid? SOC. Build a commercial airport? SOC. Civil Affairs are under Special Operations command, and much of the Special Ops fall to the Reservists. I know, as I am good at driving people crazy, and the PsyOps folks were interested in my particular natural skills and talents. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #33 January 8, 2004 QuoteSOC (Special Operations Capable) I think that is a DoN, or USMC definition... to those of us with Army backgrounds, SOC would first mean Special Operations Command... unless it appeared behind a MEU unit designation... There are no special tryouts to get into the 10th Mountain... and for the 82nd or 101st its just passing Airborne or Air Assault schools... and that ain't so special. The Army does not consider these units special operations, or even special operations capable... just units with different missions and specialized ways to get to the battle. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #34 January 8, 2004 QuoteThe Army does not consider these units special operations, or even special operations capable Completely untrue. PM me and I'll direct you to some people who can educate you and bring you up to speed. Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #35 January 8, 2004 Are they people in those units with an overly high opinion of themselves? Last I checked 10th, 101st, 82nd are all NOT part of the USASOC... units that are would be USASFC (SF), USACAPOC (PsyOps/Civil Aff.),USAJFKSWCS (the school), 75th Rangers, 160th SOAR, and SOSCOM... Those other units may work with/support SO units, but are just infantry divisions.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 January 8, 2004 Ok yall when are you gonna start tossing down challenge coins so we can watch the fisticuffs.... Hold on.. I am going to the Popcorn machine in the lobby.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunaplanet 0 #37 January 8, 2004 Quotebut are just infantry divisions. LOL. This tells me all I need to know about your "knowledge" of which units are SOF and not. Definitly no need to debate this anymore. The offer is still on the table of you want to PM me so we can chat on the phone. I wouldn't mind taking some time out of my day to SITREP you. Peace Forty-two Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #38 January 9, 2004 My dad could beat up your dad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #39 January 9, 2004 Mark Now you've really done it all us civie's without a "need to know" who read this thread will have to be killed. R.I.P. BTW I swear I never met a D-boy but the SF guy's from Fort lewis thaqt I had the honor of meeting were very professional and I never heard any of that Hoo ahh stuff from them. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 January 9, 2004 QuoteWhen we say "Special Forces" in this thread, we are referring to SOC (Special Operations Capable) units. Technically, Special Forces refers to the select units in the US Army, as we stated earler. In this thread, I am refering to "special forces" as any unit that is SOC. Yeah, if I were to walk around and say I was "Special Forces"...My SF, Delta, SEAL, ANV, and Ranger buddies would smack me. QuoteIf you disagree with any information I have disposed in this or any other thread, let me know and I will provide you with phone numbers and contacts of mine throughout all the branches to verify these statements and bring you up tp speed. If you feel more comfortable, PM me and I'll email you the information. Thats not needed, I can provide #'s that will tell you that you are full of crap. So I feel pretty "up to speed"....In fact you claim to be in Tampa, why don't we walk up to the SOCOM guys and ask them? I already know the answer I'll get. But if you want to go around calling me an SF guy, thats cool, I could use you at the bars."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #41 January 9, 2004 QuoteThose other units may work with/support SO units, but are just infantry divisions Hey watch your mouth there buddy Im not a leg, thats just Infantry....I get to go to battle in a cool way...Then I suck just like everyone else."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #42 January 9, 2004 Didn't mean to offend... most of the 82nd is "high-speed" (at least until the land, then its about 1-4kph) JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
