Dogs of War Bark at Each Other

[Guest]

As usual, bureaucratic nonsense impedes common sense in the DoD.

In this story, Special Forces and their uses are debated, but it isn't what you might think: SF is now a big part of the military (unlike the bastard stepchild it was in the Vietnam era), but HOW they'll be used is the debate.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[PhillyKev 0]

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the Green Beret was a generic term for Special Forces, of which, Delta Force is a part of. There is no such unit designated the Green Beret's.

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In fact, these advocates said the U.S. military may have missed chances to capture two of its most-wanted fugitives -- Mohammad Omar, the Taliban leader, and Ayman Zawahiri, deputy to Osama bin Laden -- during the past two years because of restrictions on Green Berets in favor of two other components of the Special Operations Command, the Delta Force and SEAL Team Six.

[Guest]

Delta Force is its own command (based on the British SAS model), comprised of veterans from US Army Special Forces (Green Berets) and Rangers. One must have served in either of these structures prior to volunteering for Delta.

US Army Special Forces units are organized into "Special Forces Groups". They are the ones known as the Green Berets.

If I was a SEAL, I'd be unhappy with being thought of as a "Green Beret". Green Frog, maybe, but Green Beret - never!

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[PhillyKev 0]

gotcha....

[sdgregory 0]

Do not ever call Recon Marines a Green Beret. Them's fighten words.

[downwardspiral 0]

Delta Force

Airborne Rangers(USArmy)

Green Berets(USArmy)

SEAL Teams (USN)

Force Recon (USMC)

SEAR(USAF)

Anything else?

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[freeflir29 0]

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One must have served in either of these structures prior to volunteering for Delta.

Actually no.....True....that's where a majority of the guys come from but they recruit right out in the open these days. They do recruiting briefs to Infantry grunts on a regular basis. They even let Air Force guys in....if you join the Army.

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If I was a SEAL, I'd be unhappy with being thought of as a "Green Beret". Green Frog, maybe, but Green Beret - never!

I always liked to call them "Squeels"......They love that.

[tunaplanet 0]

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Anything else?

Yes, tons.

Forty-two

[Shark 0]

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SEAR(USAF)

Anything else?

Yeah, I'm gonna tell Jake you fucked up the spelling... then again, what did I expect from a Marine. Don't forget DEVGRU, the SWCCs and PJs and Romads.

[freeflir29 0]

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Don't forget the SWCCs and PJs and Romads

Go ROMAD!!!! USAF!!!

[tunaplanet 0]

You're missing the 3rd hardest special forces school known to mankind...Marine Snipers.

Forty-two

[downwardspiral 0]

HAH! Yeah they don't waste time teaching us jarheads how to type/spell like they do squids.

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[tunaplanet 0]

Others you didn't mention.....

- MEU (USMC)
- DAP (USMC)
- SRT (USMC)
- FAST (USMC)
- 10th Mountain Division (Army)
- 82nd Airborne (Army)
- And the many fine aviators and their units that fly these brave souls into battle

Forty-two

[downwardspiral 0]

Ok now who knows what all those acronyms mean?

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[Shark 0]

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Delta Force

I thought they came up with a new marketing acronym, like CAG.

[tunaplanet 0]

Still called Delta.

Forty-two

[freeflir29 0]

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I thought they came up with a new marketing acronym, like CAG.

Differen't animal really......

[Guest]

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HAH! Yeah they don't waste time teaching us jarheads how to type/spell like they do squids.

Q - Why do sailors have tattoos?

A - So Marines will have something to read.



mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[downwardspiral 0]

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HAH! Yeah they don't waste time teaching us jarheads how to type/spell like they do squids.

Q - Why do sailors have tattoos?

A - So Marines will have something to read.



mh

Oaths Of Enlistment ID1311

U.S. AIR FORCE OATH OF ENLISTMENT

I, Zoomie, swear to sign away four years of my useless life to the United States Air Force because I know I couldn't hack it in the Army and because the Marines frighten me. I swear to sit behind a desk and take credit for the work done by others more dedicated than me who take their job seriously. I also swear not to do any form of real exercise, but promise to defend our bike-riding test as a valid form of exercise.

I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, even though I believe myself to be above that. I promise to walk around calling everyone by their first name because I know I'm not really in the military and I find it amusing to annoy the other services. I will have a better quality of life than all those around me and will at all times be sure to make them aware of that fact.

After completion of my -- snicker -- "basic training," I will be a lean, mean, doughnut-eating, lazy-boy sitting, civilian-wearing-blue-clothes, Chairborne Ranger. I will believe that I am superior to all others, and will make an effort to clean the knife before stabbing the next person in the back with it. I will do no work unless someone is watching me (and it makes me look good), will annoy those around me, and will go home early everyday.

I consent to never getting promoted -- EVER -- and understand that all those whom I made fun of yesterday probably will outrank me tomorrow.

So help me God.

Signature: ___________________ Date: _________________


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U.S. ARMY OATH OF ENLISTMENT

I, Rambo, swear to sign away four years of my mediocre life to the United States Army because I couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get into the Air Force, I'm not tough enough for the Marines, and the Navy won't take me because I can't swim.

I will wear camouflage every day and tuck my trousers into my boots because I can't figure out how to use blousing straps. I promise to wear my uniform 24 hours a day even when I have a date. I will continue telling myself that I am a fierce killing machine because my drill sergeant told me I am, despite the fact that the only action I ever will see is a court martial for sexual harassment.

I acknowledge the fact that I will make E-8 in my first year of service, and vow to maintain that it is because I scored perfect on my PT test. After completion of my sexual -- er -- I mean, BASIC training, I will attend a different Army school once every other month and return knowing less than I did when I left.

On my first trip home after boot camp, I will walk around like I am cool and propose to my ninth-grade sweetheart. I will make my wife stay home, because if I let her out she might leave me for a smarter, better-looking Air Force guy. Should she leave me twelve times, I will continue to take her back.

While at work, I will maintain a look of knowledge while getting absolutely nothing accomplished. I will arrive at work every day at 1000 hours because of morning PT and leave every day at 1300 hours to report back to the "COMPANY." I understand that I will undergo no training whatsoever that will help me get a job upon separation, and will end up working construction with my friends from high school. I will brag to everyone about the Army giving me $30,000 for college, but will be unable to use it because I can't pass a placement exam.

So help me God.

Signature:__________________ Date:_______________ U.S.


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NAVY OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away four years of my life to the United States Navy because I want to hang out with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I thought the Air Force was too "corporate," and because I thought, "Hey, I like to swim...Why not?"

I promise to wear clothing that went out of style in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair of pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good Humor man during the summer, and for the Waffen SS during the winter. I will strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-speaking world, using words like "deck, bulkhead, cover, and head," when I really mean "floor, wall, hat, and toilet." I will take great pride in the fact that all Navy acronyms, ranks and insignia, and everything else for that matter, are completely different from the other services and make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I will muster (whatever that is) at 0700 hours every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with the Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930 hours.

I vow to hone my coffee cup handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak being tossed around in a typhoon and still not spill a drop.

I consent to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice each fiscal year. I realize that, once selected for Chief, I am required to submit myself to the sick, and quite possibly illegal, whims of my new-found "colleagues." So help me Neptune.

Signature:__________________ Date:_______________


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U.S. MARINE CORPS OATH OF ENLISTMENT

I, ________________ (state name here), swear...uhhhh...high-and-tight... grunt... cammies... ugh... Air Force women.... HOORAH!

So help me Corps.

Thumb Print:___________________ Date:______________

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[akarunway 1]

IVAN. Where art thou?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Ron 10]

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Still called Delta

Don't you know they dont exist?

I mean there is a big red roofed building and all at Ft.Bragg....But they don't exist.

There is "the other side of the fence"....That big red building has a fence...Ummmmm maybe thats whats in there?

And they recruit from the Infantry as well...And I know of a mechanic that was training to go to selection.

Now, where they go when they get selected is anybodies guess....

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[tunaplanet 0]

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Now, where they go when they get selected is anybodies guess....

Not really. All selected candidates accepted into Delta training program begin the 2 year education course at Ft. Bragg's Special Operation Training facility (SOT).

Before anyone is selected to begin Delta training at the SOT, every candidate is thoroughly screened, psychologically tested, physically challenged and has a very intensive background check performed.

Delta and DEVGRU are the two most elite CT units in the world.

Forty-two

[Ron 10]

Its called a joke....Ya know, humor, stories told to provoke laughter, irony..ect????

Ever heard of the concept?

I know about the Delta compound, the training, and the missions.

OK, I'll explain the joke...You see most conventional units are told they don't exist.
Oh hell never mind...You were Navy, and I don't have the time to explain it over and over again.(See thats a joke)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kmcguffee 0]

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but I was under the impression that the Green Beret was a generic term for Special Forces

The Green Berets are the Army component of the Special Forces. The branch within the Army is actually called Special Forces but their nickname is the Green Berets because they wear......................green berets. Delta Force is a part of the Army and part of SOCOM but different than the Green Berets.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin

[kmcguffee 0]

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comprised of veterans from US Army Special Forces (Green Berets) and Rangers. One must have served in either of these structures prior to volunteering for Delta.

Like Clay said, Delta Force also recruits from the regular army. I had 2 soldiers from my Infantry company go Delta Force and an officer friend from the regular Army go Delta. They recruit SSG and above from the enlisted ranks and officers after a successful company command. From what I observed, the type of people that make it to Delta Force are a lot different than the type that make it to Special Forces (Green Beret). Delta Force tends to be made up of quiet professionals while the Green Beret tend to be the loud "hooah hooah" type.

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If I was a SEAL, I'd be unhappy with being thought of as a "Green Beret". Green Frog, maybe, but Green Beret - never!

You're right. That would be an undeserved promotion.

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin