Jimbo 0 #1 January 10, 2004 From a newletter I subscribe to. QuoteLESS THAN ZERO TOLERANCE: Sharon Huff got a call that her son, Marcus, 7, had said a "bad word" at his Lafayette, La., school. When he got home, a note from his teacher at Ernest Gallet Elementary informed her Marcus had used the word "gay" to describe his mother, who is a lesbian. Marcus was sentenced to in-school suspension and forced to write "I will never use the word 'gay' in school again" for an hour. He was also made to write a "behavior contract" about what he did wrong. "I sed bad wurds," he wrote, and in the future he should "cep my mouf shut." After a public outroar, school Superintendent James Easton declared "An apology is not due" to Marcus or his mother. (Washington Post) ...No apology for punishing him for telling the truth, and no apology for not teaching him how to write. Subscriptions available here: http://www.thisistrue.com/ I've just got to know, is "gay" a bad word because the concept is offensive to the teacher, or is it simply (and sadly) political correctness run amok? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #2 January 10, 2004 Sounds like great ammo for a civil rights law suit. Louisiana ain't known for a modern interpretation of civil rights... I wonder if the kids who come in from the bayou and talk about 'the bitches barking all night' get in the same trouble. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lemonjelly 0 #3 January 10, 2004 I always thought the word 'gay' described someone as happy and joyful with a pleasant demeanour. My friends are very happy to be described ion this way. There's always one though.************************************************* RED LIGHTS & OFF LANDINGS ARE JUST MY THANG http://www.redlightrob.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #4 January 10, 2004 QuoteI've just got to know, is "gay" a bad word because the concept is offensive to the teacher, or is it simply (and sadly) political correctness run amok? In all likely hood its probably both, the teacher probably has issues and without a doubt its PC motivated! We're talking about school systems that expel (press charges even!)highscool students for carrying a "Midol" or a "Tylenol", cant have that ...... there's zero drug tolerance. Schools that expel students for having a safety pin, you could hurt someone with that and we have a zero weapons tolerance(never mind the pens and pencils). Its sad and ridiculous the bizarre level this crap has reached, and these rabidly PC liberal education professionals eat and breathe this crap. These are the same folks trying to teaching our kids their skewed morals about life, sexuality and society while failing to teach them reading writing, arithmetic,geography, science, history and just about everything else ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dbattman 0 #5 January 10, 2004 Two words: Home School Public school was a joke when I finished in '91 and I doubt it get's better with age. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #6 January 10, 2004 Amen, to the "Home School" and lets not forget "Private Schools". Remember these rabid PC liberal education professionals are the ones that don't want to allow you tax credits for Private or Home schooling* your children, why? Because then they can't influence (read: Brainwash'em), they can't idealize their adgendas into our childrens minds. * They'd even like to pass laws requiring that you send your children to public schools. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #7 January 10, 2004 QuoteTwo words: Home School Public school was a joke when I finished in '91 and I doubt it get's better with age. Oh it is a joke now. My oldest had a tough time with math and we tried to tutor her at home. By the time we realized there was a problem she had gotten her first F. We worked with her as much as we could but as we would get her to understand one concept the class moved on to another and we were always behind. The harder it got the further behind she fell. We asked the School to help by holding her back and they would not. We asked for special instruction and they refused because they said she was not FAR enough behind. WTF? After fighting the system for four years she was three years behind. It was destoying her emotionally. We finally got the school to agree to hold her back. This was right after 7th grade. Then just before school starts we got a later and it said: "Due to your daughter's PHYSICAL developement we decided that she should not be held back and we are advancing her to the eighth grade." That's a direct quote (We kept the letter). We were pissed. I called the school and got the same response verbally. I asked them "So you are saying that because my daughter has grown tits you are advancing her?" They said that no it was due to her physical maturity. Sound slike it's because she grew breasts to me. So we decided HOMESCHOOL. In three years she is at and about to pass her grade level in Math as well as doing superbly in other courses. Needless to say we pulled the other two out too. Home schooling is really the only option for parents anymore, if you can juggle the work schedule it creates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #8 January 10, 2004 QuoteHome schooling is really the only option for parents anymore, if you can juggle the work schedule it creates. I can't agree more. I've had the pleasure of meeting a half dozen or so home schooled children in the last two years and I have to say that they are significantly more advanced than their public school counterparts. And, surprise (not really once you begin to understand the whole home school culture), they're also very social and a pleasure to be around. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #9 January 10, 2004 Quotethey're also very social and a pleasure to be around. That's one thing that always concerned me about home schooling. Seems like the kids would be sheltered not being exposed to others value systems....or lack there of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #10 January 10, 2004 JIMBO! There are many things we disagree on butthis one is not one of them. One of the things I hear most often when someone finds out we homeschool is "what about socialization?" The truth is that prior to Public schooling human social contact for the first 10-15 years of life was almost entirely family contact. Second to that was contact with the people of the small town, village or tribe one was a part of. We spent most of our time amongst LIKEMINDED individuals and learned a better sense of self-esteem and acceptance. Also we learned a larger sense of responsibility toward each other. This is the huge benefit of Homeschooling. We do get our kids social contact with a large homeschooling group, my kids are in organized sports through city or optimist leagues and my oldest just started her first job. The key is that in the early formative years and the troubled teen years they are in environments where there is little peer pressure of the negative sort. More importantly they are not subject to the meanness of the kids in public school because even though they are among kids of different race, color, economic and religous background they are among kids who are very much like them in attitude and experience, allowing for an acceptance in deifferences. Homeschool kids as a group (remember there are exceptions in EVERY group) tend to be more secure, self motivated and more positive than their public school counterparts (as a whole). Glad you have seen that and recognized it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alcarterra 0 #11 January 10, 2004 QuoteThat's one thing that always concerned me about home schooling. Seems like the kids would be sheltered not being exposed to others value systems....or lack there of. Nope not at all from the people that I've met that have been home schooled. There is one family in my town that home schooled all 10 of their kids. However, all of the kids play the sports in the recreation programs offered in town and on other various club teams. From that, they make their friends and are exposed to others' value systems there. They are some of the nicest people I know, and so well adjusted too. They all go off to college and have had no troubles there at all. It's just definately something to think about. alyson team swooo swooo #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #12 January 10, 2004 QuoteThat's one thing that always concerned me about home schooling. Seems like the kids would be sheltered not being exposed to others value systems....or lack there of. A friend of mine home schools his four children, they belong to an umbrella school that sets standards and sponsors social events. Last year I think they even had a prom. Otherwise his children are involved in city sports leagues, charity groups through church, etc... I understand your concern, Clay. I gave him a rash of shit about it when I first heard that his kids were home schooled. Over the years though I've come to understand that it's really not bad a thing, but probably a good thing. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #13 January 10, 2004 I cannot remeber where the Story was, I will link here if I find it, but I read it years ago. I think it was a Stanford University study on homeschooling and it showed that many colleges were heavily and actively recruiting homeschool kids into their ranks. The main reason cited was that Homeschool kids grow up in a more Socratic learning environment. Socrates never answered a question directly in his life. He answered questions with leading questions designed to help his students FIND the answer on their own. This leads to a more eager discovery of knowledge. It is the system most homeschool parents employ. As an added benefit, the study showed that homeschool kids are much more likely to be self starters because that is the learning process they developed. That does not mean we homeschool parents sit back and just let them do all the work. We just lecture less and are able to give more INDIVIDUAL time to each student because there is not a 30:1 or greater student to teacher ratio and we get much more than 50 minutes a day with each class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #14 January 10, 2004 I guess if you give the kids opportunities outside of school such as sports, church, etc. they'll get plenty of social contact. It's just that I never played sports past the 6th grade or so. Probably why I'm so anti-social. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #15 January 10, 2004 QuoteQuotethey're also very social and a pleasure to be around. That's one thing that always concerned me about home schooling. Seems like the kids would be sheltered not being exposed to others value systems....or lack there of. Hey Clay, I had the SAME concerns... about socialization for the kids. That's a very common concern - and it makes a lot of sense. My sister decided to homeschool her two children. Kai just turned five and he has the development both socially and intellectually of an 8 or 9 year old. My sister lives in a cohousing community (intentional community where people choose to live there because they want interaction with their neighbors). In the community, there are about 10 children who are being homeschooled. The parents put activities together with the children and they've even started a community soccer team. I think the idea of homeschooling is amazing. Definately frustrating at times, there are many walls to run into along the way. The homeschooling parents need to be very involved and very patient. If I have the opportunity when I have children, I too will homeschool. - Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #16 January 10, 2004 Quote Its sad and ridiculous the bizarre level this crap has reached, and these rabidly PC liberal education professionals eat and breathe this crap. These are the same folks trying to teaching our kids their skewed morals about life, sexuality and society while failing to teach them reading writing, arithmetic,geography, science, history and just about everything else There's a contradiction in your paragraph above. It's not liberals that have a problem with "gay".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #17 January 10, 2004 QuoteI think the idea of homeschooling is amazing. Definately frustrating at times, there are many walls to run into along the way. The homeschooling parents need to be very involved and very patient. Liz, The most frustrating part is when you first begin or relocate to a new school district the goverment tries to interfere. Or neighbors call the authroities because your kids are out playing when other kids are in school. (Our kids finish by noon). When we moved to Columbus we sent letters to everyone of our neighbors to inform them that we homeschooled and they would see school aged children playing in the yard during school hours in the hopes to curb the visits by authorities. Did not work. We have a sign on both doors to the house from HSLDA (Home School Legal Defense Association) which is a group of lawyers dedicated to protecting home school. It basically says if you have come to harrass or interfere with out right to homeschool do not knock. We are member of HSLDA and are exercising our right to homeschool. HSLDA will file suit if you fail to comply with all applicable laws pertaining to this right. Or soemthing to that effect. And let me tell you, HSLDA does not play around. They take action as soon as we call them with a complaint. Every homeschooling parent needs to be a member of this group. It costs 80 dollars a year and buys you an incredible amount of legal protection and representation. They know their stuff and school districts know they do. As far as the other walls like kids taking for granted that the teacher is Mommy. (Had to deal with that with my son.) Yeah but just think, you can whack em if they get out of line. Actually I have a strict rule that when it is school time, Mommy is not Mommy she is teacher and Daddy is the Principal and Daddy believes in capital punishment. Never even had to spank my son, after I made this rule he straightened right up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #18 January 10, 2004 Quotecapital punishment Dude.....I hope you meant corporal. Unless you have an electric chair stashed in your basement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #19 January 10, 2004 I knew when I said it that it wsa wrong but the right word was escaping me. Although capital punishment would surely scare em straight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #20 January 10, 2004 QuoteAlthough capital punishment would surely scare em straight! "Eat those green beans or it's off with your head!!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites weegegirl 2 #21 January 10, 2004 That's really interesting. I hadn't heard of the HSLDA. Sounds very worth while. I can imagine the frustration interfering neighbors could cause. That would drive me crazy. Anyway, good for you for homeschooling. I don't think I agree with the punishment factor, but that's very personal. Then again, I should wait until I have kids of my own before I declare my position. IMO, which is not accompanied by a whole lot of experience, there are many more peaceful ways to discipline a child than with phyical punishment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #22 January 10, 2004 QuoteAmen, to the "Home School" and lets not forget "Private Schools". Remember these rabid PC liberal education professionals are the ones that don't want to allow you tax credits for Private or Home schooling* your children, why? Because then they can't influence (read: Brainwash'em), they can't idealize their adgendas into our childrens minds. * They'd even like to pass laws requiring that you send your children to public schools. School policies are not set by the teachers (rabidly liberal or otherwise), they are set by the local board of education, who are members of the community elected by members of the community. The school rules can therefore be considered to reflect the wishes and standards of the community. Performance standards for history, geography etc. are set by the state, and once again the state boards are political appointees supposedly representing the community. If you don't like the policies, then look to the community.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflir29 0 #23 January 10, 2004 QuoteThe school rules can therefore be considered to reflect the wishes and standards of the community. As an elected govt ALWAYS does..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChileRelleno 0 #24 January 10, 2004 Quote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its sad and ridiculous the bizarre level this crap has reached, and these rabidly PC liberal education professionals eat and breathe this crap. These are the same folks trying to teaching our kids their skewed morals about life, sexuality and society while failing to teach them reading writing, arithmetic,geography, science, history and just about everything else -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThere's a contradiction in your paragraph above. It's not liberals that have a problem with "gay". Where did I say in that paragraph that anyone had a "Problem" with "Gay" I mentioned sexuality and that covers more than just Hetero and Non-Hetero. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chaoskitty 0 #25 January 10, 2004 Random info: I used to work at a YMCA, and they had a program called "homeschool fitness". Different classes for different age groups. Basically, parents who homeschool their kids sign them up for these classes, which qualifies for PE.. and they get interaction with other homeschooled kids. I think the cost was $20/month for three days per week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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freeflir29 0 #18 January 10, 2004 Quotecapital punishment Dude.....I hope you meant corporal. Unless you have an electric chair stashed in your basement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #19 January 10, 2004 I knew when I said it that it wsa wrong but the right word was escaping me. Although capital punishment would surely scare em straight! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #20 January 10, 2004 QuoteAlthough capital punishment would surely scare em straight! "Eat those green beans or it's off with your head!!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #21 January 10, 2004 That's really interesting. I hadn't heard of the HSLDA. Sounds very worth while. I can imagine the frustration interfering neighbors could cause. That would drive me crazy. Anyway, good for you for homeschooling. I don't think I agree with the punishment factor, but that's very personal. Then again, I should wait until I have kids of my own before I declare my position. IMO, which is not accompanied by a whole lot of experience, there are many more peaceful ways to discipline a child than with phyical punishment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #22 January 10, 2004 QuoteAmen, to the "Home School" and lets not forget "Private Schools". Remember these rabid PC liberal education professionals are the ones that don't want to allow you tax credits for Private or Home schooling* your children, why? Because then they can't influence (read: Brainwash'em), they can't idealize their adgendas into our childrens minds. * They'd even like to pass laws requiring that you send your children to public schools. School policies are not set by the teachers (rabidly liberal or otherwise), they are set by the local board of education, who are members of the community elected by members of the community. The school rules can therefore be considered to reflect the wishes and standards of the community. Performance standards for history, geography etc. are set by the state, and once again the state boards are political appointees supposedly representing the community. If you don't like the policies, then look to the community.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #23 January 10, 2004 QuoteThe school rules can therefore be considered to reflect the wishes and standards of the community. As an elected govt ALWAYS does..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #24 January 10, 2004 Quote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Its sad and ridiculous the bizarre level this crap has reached, and these rabidly PC liberal education professionals eat and breathe this crap. These are the same folks trying to teaching our kids their skewed morals about life, sexuality and society while failing to teach them reading writing, arithmetic,geography, science, history and just about everything else -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteThere's a contradiction in your paragraph above. It's not liberals that have a problem with "gay". Where did I say in that paragraph that anyone had a "Problem" with "Gay" I mentioned sexuality and that covers more than just Hetero and Non-Hetero. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #25 January 10, 2004 Random info: I used to work at a YMCA, and they had a program called "homeschool fitness". Different classes for different age groups. Basically, parents who homeschool their kids sign them up for these classes, which qualifies for PE.. and they get interaction with other homeschooled kids. I think the cost was $20/month for three days per week. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
