billvon 3,110 #26 January 12, 2004 >I fully stand by my statement that the democratic party is the party > of racial discrimination. It's pretty much indefensible to assert > otherwise. Washington Post 4/11/03 A quote from Republican Rep. Barbara Cubin of Wyoming: “My sons are 25 and 30. They are blond-haired and blue-eyed. One amendment today said we could not sell guns to anybody under drug treatment. So does that mean if you go into a black community, you cannot sell a gun to any black person, or does that mean because my — “ At this point, Rep. Melvin Watt (D-N.C.) demanded that her words be stricken from the record as inappropriate. You might think that Mrs. Cubin then would have realized she had equated African Americans with drug addicts and apologized as profusely as possible. Instead, she told Mr. Watt, who is African American, that she wanted “to apologize to my colleague for his sensitivities.” When Mr. Watt noted, correctly, that it was not a matter of whether his feelings were hurt but of “using words that are insulting to the entire African American race,” Mrs. Cubin declined the opportunity to back down. “Mr. Chairman,” she said, “I do not withdraw my words.” ----------------- Are democrats any different? Not at all. Both sides have their racists and their civil rights champions. But if you really want to make republicans the "party of equality" you might want to heed the suggestion at the end of a Time editorial a while back: "Republican leaders and their apologists tend to go into a frenzy of denial when members of the liberal media cabal bring up these inconvenient facts. It's that lack of candor, of course, that presents the biggest obstacle to George W. Bush's commendable and long overdue campaign to persuade more African-Americans to defect from the Democrats to the Republicans. It's doomed to fail until the GOP fesses up its past addiction to race-baiting, and makes a sincere attempt to kick the habit." >Strom Thurmond is dead. He apparently hated black folks SOOOO >much he slept with one. Nice link. Is it your assertion, then, that if you sleep with someone of a given race, you cannot be a racist? Surely you're not one of those people who proclaims your tolerance with phrases like "Hey, I'm not a racist - I have a black friend!" I agree that he is dead, though. (See? We can agree on things!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #27 January 12, 2004 It is the official platform of the Dems to support affirmative action. I assert that it is racial discrimination.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #28 January 12, 2004 Quote Strom Thurmond is dead. He apparently hated black folks SOOOO much he slept with one. Nice link. Like Thomas Jefferson, who screwed his slaves?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #29 January 12, 2004 Quote "not being true to your race" That is some racist shit! I couldn't agree more!!! *throws big chunk o' mud* Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #30 January 12, 2004 QuoteIt is the official platform of the Dems to support affirmative action. I assert that it is racial discrimination. GWB supports a different kind of affirmative action. It's called a "Legacy Program" and it is how he got into Yale despite having inferior test scores. His "FOC" brief to the Supreme Court opposed race based AA, but said nothing about legacy programs. What hypocrisy! I don't support affirmative action based on race, but even less do I support affirmative action based on how much money Daddy gives to the school. Affirmative action, if any, should be based on demonstrable disadvantage.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #31 January 12, 2004 One wonders how Mr. Watt came to his conclusion given the fact that Ms. Cubin hadn't finished her statement. Perhaps his assumption was her intent - perhaps not; we'll never know because of his interruption - unless she continued, which I don't know. Regardless, her statement doesn't change the fact that the Democratic Party supports racial discrimination and makes it a priority to let voters know this - they just call it Affirmative Action. I respect their right to do so but do NOT repect their campaign practices in asserting this support. They encourage people to identify themselves and others by their race every single election. The quote in my initial post is a great example of this. Such tactics harm America in the long run - as does AA - therefore I can neither support nor respect either. Ask any Dem to give you ONE reason to support programs that judge people by their race vice merit. Won't happen. They'll call you a 'good ol' boy', a 'racist', a 'bigot', or some other idiotic insult because you don't judge people by their race for any reason, but they will NEVER answer your question. It's actually a good move on their part politically to play the role of the coward and run from such a question. This is true because the intellectual caliber of those who fall for their race-baiting rhetoric is such that any reliable quote from a Dem beginning with the phrase "I think you should support racial discrimination programs because..." or "I judge people by their race and think you should too because..." would result in a total loss of support for that person from a large voting base for that party. Unfortunately, the conservatives haven't called them on this in a public manner. They should call them out and call them cowards every single time they refuse to answer. It might cost them initially but in the long run it would be good for the nation. Racial discrimination is wrong - regardless of intent. Kallend - legacy admissions are controversial, but have nothing to do with racial discrimination.'Tis a shame the Democratic Party - the national one at any rate - is in its current state. Liberalism isn't a bad political philosophy as a general rule but that party has ceased to be a viable instrument with which to implement that political philosophy on the national level. It will reform itself or cease to exist, I do believe (and hope). The Republican party is on the same course (just way slower) with regards to the conservative political philosophy, by the way. Anvil opinions both, but well founded. Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil (Midget Tequila Monster)Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 January 12, 2004 QuoteStrom Thurmond is dead. He apparently hated black folks SOOOO much he slept with one. Nice link So all his racial comments are nill and void because he slept with a black woman? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 January 12, 2004 Legacy issues are also wrong, but nothing to do with this post which is about race. Start a new one. Edit: Whoops, Anvil already noted that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivexxl 0 #34 January 13, 2004 QuoteAsk any Dem... Vinny... do you only open your mouth to switch feet? Open your mind... your ass will follow! Oh, and the Strom sleeping with a black girl is the equivalent of someone saying "I'm not racist! I have A black friend!" Blog Clicky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #35 January 13, 2004 Quote Kallend - legacy admissions are controversial, but have nothing to do with racial discrimination. Oh, but they do! They became intimately connected when a beneficiary of legacy admission filed a friend of the court brief against race based admission. Thereby demonstrating to the world that he is a hypocrite.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #36 January 13, 2004 by the term 'legacy admission' do you mean your parents were alumni, or do you mean donating money to the college? Do you think Colleges should be prohibited from granting a favor (such as allowing the son of the donor to attend the school) for a generous donation? Is there a Civil rights protection against being discriminated against because you are poor? Or because you are rich? Would it be a violation of Civil Rights for a college to not care about your test scores, but have a really high tuition? It would be a lousy idea of course, but this sort of thing is not protected by current law. Only certain things are prohibited by Civil Rights law, discrimination based on race is one of them.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #37 January 13, 2004 Skydekker - I never said such a thing. You did. Andy - even though I can do the splits I'm not that flexible. Strom Thurmond is on the mind of some, though I consider him more or less a non-sequitur to the issue at hand. But since he's on some peoples' minds, let's see...in addition to the facts about the man presented previously, he also supported the renewal of the Voting Rights Act, backed MLK, Jr's B-day as a national holiday, and was the first senator from the South to hire a minority staffer - a fellow named Tom Moss if memory serves. Back when he was an avowed racist, Albert Gore Sr. joined him in opposing the Civil Rights Act, FYI. Which party was he in? If you'd read up on your Strom Thurmond history a bit, you'd realize that his reasons for making his switch to the republican party permanent were constitutional and not racial in nature. Though I will cede to you that the Republican Party in the mid-late '50's did have more than its fair share of racists in it - probably far less than the Democratic party of the same era. All Strom garbage behind - compare him to Byrd if you like (Senate Majority Leader for WHICH major party? Who STILL supports racial discrimination?) - nothing added changes the following fact: support of racial discrimination is a part of the democratic party's platform; NOT the republican party's. That fact isn't going away. The quote prevented in my initial post hasn't been commented on AT ALL by any of my detractors here. I doubt it will be. Check out the recent Dean-Sharpton exchange on race for another great example of how democrats are obsessed with judging people by their race and encouraging folks to identify themselves by their race as well - and harming America in the process. I stand by my statements. Vinny the Anvil (Midget Tequila Monster)Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites