AggieDave 6 #1 December 30, 2003 Story here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/12/30/ephedra/index.html I see this as a bad thing, actually. Ephedra is a very useful suppliment, I've used it off and on for a number of years now and its helped me out quite a bit. The people that have problems are the people with pre-exsisting health problems or the ones that take well above the recommended dosage... Oh-well, I guess I'll have to just have a double expresso on those days when I can't get myself in gear to get my ass to workout.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZL60 0 #2 December 30, 2003 super - now I'll have to go to the mexican market Who said Kiwis can't fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #3 December 30, 2003 Yet another loss of personal freedoms courtesy of the Bush administration.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #4 December 30, 2003 Yet one more reason to vote Libertarian JenniferArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misskriss 0 #5 December 30, 2003 QuoteThe people that have problems are the people with pre-exsisting health problems or the ones that take well above the recommended dosage... I disagree completely because I have taken products with ephedra before.....I took under the recommended dose and I have no health problems (knock on wood).. It raised my blood pressure significantly and caused my heart to race ie 160 while resting. I was monitored in the er for several hours. Not very comfortable. Granted I am sensitive to caffiene but you never know how it's going to affect different people. I will never ever touch the stuff again... But that's just my experience, obviously many use it with no problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #6 December 30, 2003 QuoteYet another loss of personal freedoms courtesy of the Bush administration I seriously fail to see how you came to that conclusion, attempting to suggest that the Ephedra ban had something to do with such items as the Patriot Act. Since it was a one liner post with no explaination, I will simply view it as a troll, trying to incite an arguement with rampent W. bashing. Nice intelligent post from a college prof.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 December 30, 2003 I had the same experience. I did some research and found that most of the products sold (metabolife, hydroxycut, xenadrine, etc...) all contain more than the recommended dosage, or at least, they did two and a half years ago when I was researching them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #8 December 30, 2003 geee cant expect people to control what they ingest on their own now can we? whats next?? eggs? after all they are proven to cause high cholesterol and we all know high cholesterol has led to more deaths than ephedra ever will... thanks guys! how much money do you bureaucrats have invested in the black market anyway??____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #9 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteYet another loss of personal freedoms courtesy of the Bush administration I seriously fail to see how you came to that conclusion, attempting to suggest that the Ephedra ban had something to do with such items as the Patriot Act. Since it was a one liner post with no explaination, I will simply view it as a troll, trying to incite an arguement with rampent W. bashing. Nice intelligent post from a college prof. The ban was announced by HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, member of GWB's cabinet. What any adult chooses to put in his or her body should be NO BUSINESS of the government. It is, therefore, YET ANOTHER LOSS OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. That is a statement of fact directly related to your post. It is not an opinion or a troll. You'll know the difference by the time you graduate. That assumes that you listen to your professors, of course.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #10 December 30, 2003 QuoteWhat any adult chooses to put in his or her body should be NO BUSINESS of the government. It is, therefore, YET ANOTHER LOSS OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. So you saying that COCAINE, POT and CRACK should be also left alone, damn..I almost forgot ECSTASY. C'mon use common sense people.__________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #11 December 30, 2003 I HATE it when the government bans things because people cannot take responsibility for their own actions. . .what we need is LESS government intervention, not MORE. Ick. . .I wish these people would get out of my business. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #12 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhat any adult chooses to put in his or her body should be NO BUSINESS of the government. It is, therefore, YET ANOTHER LOSS OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. So you saying that COCAINE, POT and CRACK should be also left alone, damn..I almost forgot ECSTASY. C'mon use common sense people. Yes...they should be left alone. Search your common sense and you'll see why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #13 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhat any adult chooses to put in his or her body should be NO BUSINESS of the government. It is, therefore, YET ANOTHER LOSS OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. So you saying that COCAINE, POT and CRACK should be also left alone, damn..I almost forgot ECSTASY. C'mon use common sense people. Why should any mentally competent adult be deprived of full control over his or her own body provided he or she does not infringe on the rights of others? Taking Ephedra is now another victimless crime. I do not wish the government to be my nanny.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #14 December 30, 2003 QuoteQuoteWhat any adult chooses to put in his or her body should be NO BUSINESS of the government. It is, therefore, YET ANOTHER LOSS OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. So you saying that COCAINE, POT and CRACK should be also left alone, damn..I almost forgot ECSTASY. C'mon use common sense people. exactly!! what? you expect the government to use common sense but its citizens cant be trusted too?????____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #15 December 30, 2003 I tend to agree with you Kallend. During the last Administration we finally had a Surgeon General who had the balls to point out that drug use should probably be treated as a medical condition instead of a criminal condition and we should look into decriminalizing at least certain drugs. Unfortunately she was immediately dismissed from her position as Surgeon General. The head of that Administration certainly didn't want to take a stand on anything which might lower his approval ratings. Perhaps sometime in the future we'll see a real civil libertarian in office. Until then it really doesn't matter who is holding office, because when it comes to drug enforcement, both parties are one-trick ponies. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #16 December 30, 2003 Quoteboth parties are one-trick ponies That seems to be the case with the majority of issues. There is NOT a two party system any more. There are two slightly different versions of a single party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #17 December 30, 2003 Are they banning it as if it were a narcotic, or is it simply going to be banned from stores? (i.e. Can it be sold by private sellers?) Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #18 December 30, 2003 QuoteStory here: http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/12/30/ephedra/index.html I see this as a bad thing, actually. Ephedra is a very useful suppliment, I've used it off and on for a number of years now and its helped me out quite a bit. The people that have problems are the people with pre-exsisting health problems or the ones that take well above the recommended dosage... Oh-well, I guess I'll have to just have a double expresso on those days when I can't get myself in gear to get my ass to workout. I agree on principal. More regulation is bad and I dont believe that ephedra based products are inherently dangerous. In truth though, there isnt anything you can do with ephedra that you cant do with proper nutrition and exercize :-) I tried Xenadrine (ephedra based) to lean out last year as part of my bodybuilding plan and in point of fact it didnt noticeably increase my fat burn rate. It did keep me up at night though and I lost a greater amount of muscle mass while using it than when using nothing. For me it was actively counterproductive Thats not to say that it doesnt work for others but it didnt help me much at all. I now stick with the traditional methods of fat burning. To lean out I decrease my carb intake and increase my cardio workouts. Its very effective and I dont have to worry that the government will ban it BTW, Alcohol kills tens of thousands both directly and indirectly EVERY YEAR. Ephedra was linked to the deaths of a few individuals and they are going to ban it. Who besides myself sees this fact as almost completely absurd? Once again, I dont use it myself(Alcohol OR ephedra). But I sure as shit believe that I SHOULD be able to if I choose to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Push 0 #19 December 30, 2003 Many drugs should not be sold over the counter, and for good reasons. If Ephedra has a medical benefit but with a high rate of serious side effects, it should not be an over the counter drug. Banning it completely, however, is a typical knee jerk reaction. -- Toggle Whippin' Yahoo Skydiving is easy. All you have to do is relax while plummetting at 120 mph from 10,000' with nothing but some nylon and webbing to save you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #20 December 30, 2003 [yoda voice] and now begun has....the herb wars[/yoda voice]if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 December 30, 2003 QuoteThe ban was announced by HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, member of GWB's cabinet. Yes, I know that. I'm willing to bet over 98% of the US knows that. My point is that you were trying to group this in the same category with other very serious threats to our freedom, which I don't view it as such. That is why I viewed it as a troll. I personally think that the government should regulate some substances, that however is for a different discussion at a different time. I personally do not think that Ephedra should be one of those. Next the FDA will probably go after Creatine.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #22 December 30, 2003 QuoteI personally think that the government should regulate some substances, that however is for a different discussion at a different time. I personally do not think that Ephedra should be one of those. Next the FDA will probably go after Creatine. I'm curious...why is that a separate discussion? Because this one is about substances that you would like to use, but can't now? And the other substances are things you don't want to use? I'm sure there are a lot of pot smokers who think people are nuts to use Ephedra or Creatine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 December 30, 2003 Quotewhy is that a separate discussion? because I'm fix'n to walk out the door and won't be back till later.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #24 December 30, 2003 I think that ephedra should still be buyable, but no more of these weight loss commercials and products making false claims about their products using ephedra. I think the problem was the manufactors telling everyone how safe and perfect it was, and gullible people believing them, then getting sick because of it. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #25 December 30, 2003 personally, from the side effects I had from taking hydroxycut, I think these products should be used under the direct supervision of a doctor (a prescription!) or not at all. The bottle recommended I take FOUR pills. I took one. My heart was racing, I was dizzy, short of breath, and just downright feeling rotten. Couldn't sleep. It was a terrible experience, and very scary. Because the government considers ephedra an herb rather than a drug, companies don't have to disclose side effects and all that. When I told my doc what I'd taken, ooooohhhh man, she read me the riot act bigtime! I got a HUGE lecture on how unsafe ephedra is, and that if I REALLY wanted to lose those last five or ten pounds, she'd set me up with a nutritionist (paid for by my health insurance!) and teach me how to do it right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
