stuffit 0 #1 January 15, 2004 Some of you probably dont agree, but this is crap. Why should he be able to do this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyinghonu 0 #2 January 15, 2004 I agree - its crap and so are most of his "Administrative" decisions. "Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #3 January 15, 2004 Damn...he's pretty spendy spendy lately isn't he? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #4 January 15, 2004 Crap all the wayI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 January 15, 2004 Quote "This country must not fear the influence of faith in the future of this country. We must welcome faith in order to make America a better place," said the president, who is a regular church-goer. Because he doesn't understand the Bill of Rights.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #6 January 15, 2004 You gotta have god on your side to fight the axis of evil! Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hottamaly 1 #7 January 15, 2004 I think this is crap too. That's why I voted against him in the first place. I didn't want a bible thumping religious finatic running our contry. Division between church and state, ha! That's why the rest of the world is in turmoil, always fighting over religious beliefs. Skydiving gave me a reason to live I'm not afraid of what I'll miss when I die...I'm afraid of what I'll miss as I live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NZL60 0 #8 January 15, 2004 I read that as monies already available for various causes but not actually distributed. Personally I don't have a problem with it but that's just me.. oh crap .. political thread..ruuuunnnnnnnnn ! Who said Kiwis can't fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 January 15, 2004 I guess the voices in his head told him to give money to religious groups. God talks to him, you understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #10 January 15, 2004 It's no worse than the same services being provided by career bureaucrats. He's just farming it out to people who might actually give a shit. Personally, I'm a godless atheist, but I don't really have a problem with this. Secularism is in itself a religion IMHO, so to me it's really not much different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #11 January 15, 2004 Quote It's no worse than the same services being provided by career bureaucrats. He's just farming it out to people who might actually give a shit. Personally, I'm a godless atheist, but I don't really have a problem with this. Secularism is in itself a religion IMHO, so to me it's really not much different. Not different until you start giving money to pedophiles who you are supposed to be able to trust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #12 January 15, 2004 It's easy for a godless atheist who can support himself to say that, but if you ever found yourself in need of help would you want your only viable option to be getting that help along with a dose of Jesus as well? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #13 January 15, 2004 Oh, I forgot. The vast bloated federal government is totally devoid of pedophiles or other dangerous people. Thanks for reminding me that pedophiles exist in the religious community only. Now I can go back to thinking right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #14 January 15, 2004 Why would that be my only viable option? Are they dismantling the hundreds of federal/state/local programs that do the same thing? I doubt it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #15 January 15, 2004 Quote Why would that be my only viable option? Are they dismantling the hundreds of federal/state/local problems that do the same thing? I doubt it. Not yet, but you've got to start somewhere.... To me, if you want to let people deduct charitable (of any sort, religious or not) donations from taxes, that's all fine and dandy. But giving tax dollars to religious organizations, that's unconstitutional. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #16 January 15, 2004 "But giving tax dollars to religious organizations, that's unconstitutional. " Please show me where. It's not establishing a religion. Nothing like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoudDan 0 #17 January 15, 2004 Yeah, 'cause Gore was obviously a choice better..... I don't really agree with this particular decision, but having faith doesn't make him a fanatic, I mean you have faith that if your main malfunctions, your reserve will open right..... Coming soon to a bowl of Wheaties near you!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #18 January 15, 2004 Quote "But giving tax dollars to religious organizations, that's unconstitutional. " Please show me where. It's not establishing a religion. Nothing like it. Check out the Bill of Rights here: http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html Hmm, for those to lazy to click: " Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Note, bold added by me Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #19 January 15, 2004 I'm still waiting. If it's that "respecting the establishment..." thing, that's a stretch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 January 15, 2004 Quote Quote "But giving tax dollars to religious organizations, that's unconstitutional. " Please show me where. It's not establishing a religion. Nothing like it. Check out the Bill of Rights here: http://memory.loc.gov/const/bor.html Hmm, for those to lazy to click: " Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Note, bold added by me Well, I guess we'll forget about over 200 years of interpretation of that - of the "excessive entaglement" doctrine, etc. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #21 January 15, 2004 And what would you consider giving money to them to be... disrespecting? This would really be all fine and dandy but you can be damn sure the moment the Church of Satan's Beloved Memory applies for a federal grant to help the homeless then all those "faith" based groups will be in an uproar. And rightfully so, the government has just as much business giving taxpayer $ do a group who loves Jesus as they do giving them to a group who loves Satan. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 January 15, 2004 Um, I think there is something you do not understand here. This does not respect the establishment of a religion. Now, if Bush were to say, "Here's 3.7 billion dollars to finance the creation of a new church, Benny's Church of Faith and Greed" now we have money establishing a church. Or, if it were to say, "Here's 3.7 billion dollars to our winner in the "Official Religion of the United States" contest - Benny's Church of Faith and Greed" then we would have a problem. Here, the churches are being funded for performinga societal function. It's like this - instead of paying to keep a National Guard Armory open to sleep the homeless, let's help the church give the homeless a place to sleep. If the church does the same function as the government, so what. Who cares who is providing the function of boarding or feeding the homeless? This also, ironically, avoids "excessive entanglement." It's why the federal government can fund student loans at Notre Dame, or why research grants can go to Jesuit Universities. Get it? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #23 January 15, 2004 Quote Get it? Actually, yes, I do. But the constitution is like anything else, open to interpretation. I choose to interpret it differently than you in this case. I do however like the sound of that Benny church.... Donations? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #24 January 15, 2004 As long as all faith based charities are eligible, including Islam, Wicca, eastern philosophies, athiest, etc. then what is the problem? Now if it is limited to just Christians then I have a problem. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #25 January 15, 2004 Well, I interpret the Constitution differently than many, as well. Problem is, my interpretations mean jack and shit until I am a judge. Still, the thread is titled "why." I answered the question "Why." I can help you incorprate your religion, if you like, My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
