billvon 3,092
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No, you resume the war because daddy couldn't finish it the first time.
Yeah, those Iraqi's were really putting up a resistance. We were really lucky that they offered the cease fire to us.
And never mind that during the 1st Gulf War we were operating under the U.N. mandate which prevented us from going into Bagdad. Gotta love that U.N.
kallend 2,129
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No, you resume the war because daddy couldn't finish it the first time.
Yeah, those Iraqi's were really putting up a resistance. We were really lucky that they offered the cease fire to us.
And never mind that during the 1st Gulf War we were operating under the U.N. mandate which prevented us from going into Bagdad. Gotta love that U.N.
My recollection is that Bush I spent a lot of time and effort building the coalition and orchestrating the mandate.
I thought Bush I was a good president. It's a pity the wrong son was the heir, and has mostly pissed away the goodwill of the international community.
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billvon 3,092
>They were guilty of non-compliance before we sent in the last group
>of inspectors.
So you never answered the question. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before the war began? (say, a few days before.)
>of inspectors.
So you never answered the question. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before the war began? (say, a few days before.)
QuoteAnd never mind that during the 1st Gulf War we were operating under the U.N. mandate which prevented us from going into Bagdad. Gotta love that U.N.
Actually, that was Bush's decision based on pressure from the Saudis. He said so himself in an interview on the History channel during a show about Gulf I.
Quote>Yeah, but the bombers had already taken off.
Ah yes. And these were those 'economy' bombers that come without radios. Most dealers will throw in the radio if you haggle with em a bit, I've found . . .
Just making light of the fact that the Iraqi's delayed and stalled until it was too late. My mistake was thinking that the libs would understand the humor.
never pull low......unless you are
Quote>They were guilty of non-compliance before we sent in the last group
>of inspectors.
So you never answered the question. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before the war began? (say, a few days before.)
It was too late to comply "a few days before". Bush gave them a deadline and they didn't meet it.
never pull low......unless you are
billvon 3,092
>My mistake was thinking that the libs would understand the humor.
Uh, my reply was a joke as well . . . the joke part is that bombers really come with . . . never mind.
Uh, my reply was a joke as well . . . the joke part is that bombers really come with . . . never mind.
billvon 3,092
>It was too late to comply "a few days before". Bush gave them a
>deadline and they didn't meet it.
Try #3. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before we attacked? It's OK to say "I don't know" if you don't know.
>deadline and they didn't meet it.
Try #3. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before we attacked? It's OK to say "I don't know" if you don't know.
Quote>It was too late to comply "a few days before". Bush gave them a
>deadline and they didn't meet it.
Try #3. Which part of the cease-fire agreement were they not complying with before we attacked? It's OK to say "I don't know" if you don't know.
The non-complance with the UN resolutions are well documented. Firing on aircraft in the no-fly zone is one example.
never pull low......unless you are
QuoteQuoteAnd never mind that during the 1st Gulf War we were operating under the U.N. mandate which prevented us from going into Bagdad. Gotta love that U.N.
Actually, that was Bush's decision based on pressure from the Saudis. He said so himself in an interview on the History channel during a show about Gulf I.
Here's Resolution 661. Please point out where it authorizes the removal of Saddam Hussein.
UN RESOLUTION 661 (1990)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 2933rd meeting on 6 August 1990
The Security Council, Reaffirming its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990,
Deeply concerned that that resolution has not been implemented and that the invasion by Iraq of Kuwait continues with further loss of human life and material destruction,
Determined to bring the invasion and occupation of Kuwait by Iraq to an end and to restore the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Kuwait,
Noting that the legitimate Government of Kuwait has expressed its readiness to comply with resolution 660 (1990),
Mindful of its responsibilities under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security,
Affirming the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence, in response to the armed attack by Iraq against Kuwait, in accordance with Article 51 of the Charter,
Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,
1. Determines that Iraq so far has failed to comply with paragraph 2 of resolution 660(1990) and has usurped the authority of the legitimate Government of Kuwait;
2. Decides, as a consequence, to take the following measures to secure compliance of Iraq with paragraph 2 of resolution 660(1990) and to restore the authority of the legitimate Government of Kuwait;
3. Decides that all States shall prevent:
(a) The import into their territories of all commodities and products originating in Iraq or Kuwait exported therefrom after the date of the present resolution;
(b) Any activities by their nationals or in their territories which would promote or are calculated to promote the export or trans-shipment of any commodities or products from Iraq or Kuwait; and any dealings by their nationals or their flag vessels or in their territories in any commodities or products originating in Iraq or Kuwait and exported therefrom after the date of the present resolution, including in particular any transfer of funds to Iraq or Kuwait for the purposes of such activities or dealings;
(c) The sale or supply by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels of any commodities or products, including weapons or any other military equipment, whether or not originating in their territories but not including supplies intended strictly for medical purposes, and, in humanitarian circumstances, foodstuffs, to any person or body in Iraq or Kuwait or to any person or body for the purposes of any business carried on in or operated from Iraq or Kuwait, and any activities by their nationals or in their territories which promote or are calculated to promote such sale or supply of such commodities or products;
4. Decides that all States shall not make available to the Government of Iraq or to any commercial, industrial or public utility undertaking in Iraq or Kuwait, any funds or any other financial or economic resources and shall prevent their nationals and any persons within their territories from removing from their territories or otherwise making available to that Government or to any such undertaking any such funds or resources and from remitting any other funds to persons or bodies within Iraq or Kuwait, except payments exclusively for strictly medical or humanitarian purposes and, in humanitarian circumstances, foodstuffs;
5. Calls upon all States, including States non-members of the United Nations, to act strictly in accordance with the provisions of the present resolution notwithstanding any contract entered into or licence granted before the date of the present resolution;
6. Decides to establish, in accordance with rule 28 of the provisional rules of procedure of the Security Council, a Committee of the Security Council consisting of all the members of the Council, to undertake the following tasks and to report on its work to the Council with its observations and recommendations:
(a) To examine the reports on the progress of the implementation of the present resolution which will be submitted by the Secretary-General;
(b) To seek from all States further information regarding the action taken by them concerning the effective implementation of the provisions laid down in the present resolution;
7. Calls upon all States to co-operate fully with the Committee in the fulfilment of its task, including supplying such information as may be sought by the Committee in pursuance of the present resolution;
8. Requests the Secretary-General to provide all necessary assistance to the Committee and to make the necessary arrangements in the Secretariat for the purpose
9. Decides that, notwithstanding paragraphs 4 through 8 above, nothing in the present resolution shall prohibit assistance to the legitimate Government of Kuwait, and calls upon all States:
(a) To take appropriate measures to protect assets of the legitimate Government of Kuwait and its agencies;
(b) Not to recognize any regime set up by the occupying Power;
10. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Council on the progress of the implementation of the present resolution, the first report to be submitted within thirty days;
11. Decides to keep this item on its agenda and to continue its efforts to put an early end to the invasion by Iraq.
kallend 2,129
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd never mind that during the 1st Gulf War we were operating under the U.N. mandate which prevented us from going into Bagdad. Gotta love that U.N.
Actually, that was Bush's decision based on pressure from the Saudis. He said so himself in an interview on the History channel during a show about Gulf I.
Here's Resolution 661. Please point out where it authorizes the removal of Saddam Hussein.
UN RESOLUTION 661 (1990)
Adopted by the Security Council at its 2933rd meeting on 6 August 1990
The Security Council, Reaffirming its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990,
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OK, who authored the resolution, and moved the motion for its adoption, who seconded it, and who voted in favor?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
skreamer 1
QuoteGee, I thought he didn't have any?
Wrapped in plastic. Seems like they were not just dumped.
Nope, turns out these weren't WMD
Ron 10
QuoteWe found some WMD? Really? Ron seemed so sure with his "expert" opinion and "intelligent" replies when we told him it was hogwash
Well the report made it sound that..
At least I know the 82nd isn't special forces....So much for your expert opinon on that huh?
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
QuoteAt least I know the 82nd isn't special forces....So much for your expert opinon on that huh?
Son, if you read the post (this thread proves you have no comprehension anyways) you will clearly see I stated they were SOF. And just so anyone out there reading this knows, I offered to haver you call me to do a 3-way phone call to the SOC Center at MacDill to some good buddies of mine and I got silence. Oh well.
This thread makes you wonder what else this kid is misinformed about. It's ok, we'll set you straight eventually. Hang in there, son.
Forty-two
Ron 10
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Im done getting into pissing contests here.
Im done getting into pissing contests here.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Ah yes. And these were those 'economy' bombers that come without radios. Most dealers will throw in the radio if you haggle with em a bit, I've found . . .
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