Reparations Scammers Convicted

[TheAnvil 0]

http://wsbradio.com/common/ap/2003/10/24/D7UC7BJ80.html

Since apparently only half of the $$ will be recovered, I say send the DNC, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP a bill for the remainder AND costs of incarceration of these two idiots.

The IRS employee that caught this heist is a national hero - and it's hard to get me to say ANYTHING good about the IRS.

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From the article:

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"The IRS says more than 80,000 tax returns were filed in 2001 seeking nonexistent slavery tax credits totaling $2.7 billion. More than $30 million was mistakenly paid out in slave reparations in 2000 and part of 2001.

That number dropped significantly last year after stepped-up scrutiny of tax returns and an aggressive media campaign targeting scam artists promising to secure tax credits for blacks."

Sounds like racial profiling to me.

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No way dude. Vigilance against criminal activity. I don't even remember if a person's race is on any IRS form.

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[kallend 2,146]

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http://wsbradio.com/common/ap/2003/10/24/D7UC7BJ80.html

Since apparently only half of the $$ will be recovered, I say send the DNC, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP a bill for the remainder AND costs of incarceration of these two idiots.

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Not a bad idea - we could also send GWB and the GOP the bill for the Enron and Worldcom scandals, and for the $50M wasted on the Whitewater investigation.

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[TheAnvil 0]

Really? The Bush administration forged the books at both Enron and WorldCom? Surely you know better. I suspect the lefties will use such lies in their upcoming campaign. Each time they mention Enron I shall think of the # 14 - that's the # of times Ken Lay spent the night in the Clintonista White House.

In comparison, the DNC and the NAACP have for YEARS fostered the reparations hogwash and the attitude that folks of African descent here in America are owed something. Haven't you heard Kucinich's latest round of stupidity?

When have Republicans fostered an attitude of cheating on the books and screwing the share holders? Certainly not The Heritage Foundation - they were audited FOUR CONSECUTIVE YEARS during the Clintonista years. Now Mark Rich, on the other hand.....but oh....he was pardoned.

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[billvon 3,108]

>The Bush administration forged the books at both Enron and WorldCom?

No more so than Jesse Jackson forged those people's tax returns. Of course, they may have fostered a climate that led them to think they should.

But then again, the Bush administration sure did support Enron - heck, they asked Ken Lay to help set the country's energy policy (one that, of course, benefited Enron.) This may have had something to do with the half million Enron contributed to Bush. And during the California energy crisis, Cheney met with Lay, and the next day the administration announced it would not support price caps, a move that made Enron billions (at least temporarily.)

But perhaps that's all one big coincidence.

[lawrocket 3]

Well, this has as much validity as Michael Moore's claim that the terrorists attacked this country because of Dubya. It ignores the history going back to 1996 and before.

Enron, Worldcom and Global Crossing were all companies that founded their successes on the bubble economy of the 90's. Reagan's policies started it. Bush, Sr.'s polices continued it. Clinton's policies embraced it. The collapse started in 1999. The effects are most felt now.

So we had a market correction. The market won out over governmental policies.

And bill, I know you do not support price caps, at least in some circumstances.

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[billvon 3,108]

>Enron, Worldcom and Global Crossing were all companies that
> founded their successes on the bubble economy of the 90's.
> Reagan's policies started it. Bush, Sr.'s polices continued it.
> Clinton's policies embraced it. The collapse started in 1999. The
> effects are most felt now.

I agree, and had Enron not been so close to the administration, not too much would be different. Anvil did not claim that Jesse Jackson caused people to forge tax returns, nor do I claim that the current administration caused Enron's problems.

Jesse Jackson simply set up an environment in which some people were encouraged to cheat, even though cheating on taxes has been going on essentially forever. And the Bush administration set up an environment where perhaps the most egrerious book-cookers (Enron) were not only unpunished, but encouraged, and allowed to set national energy policy.

Could they have stopped the collapse if they had gone after Enron immediately? Probably not; perhaps they could have mitigated it a bit. Could Jesse Jackson stop people from cheating on their taxes by saying it's wrong? Probably not; he perhaps could have prevented a few people from doing it.

But claiming that the IRS should bill Jackson for people cheating on their taxes makes as much sense as claiming we should bill the administration for Enron's collapse.

>And bill, I know you do not support price caps, at least in some
>circumstances.

I don't support them in most cases, actually.

[TheAnvil 0]

They fostered a climate that led to their behavior. - at least you admit it. So may I equate this to a call on your part for the DNC, NAACP, and Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition to reimburse the gun manufacturers for ALL COSTS of their recent lawsuit? After all, the gun manufacturers were accused of marketing a product that fostered a climate of violence in minority neighborhoods. How many millions did the gun manufacturers spend defending against this frivolous lawsuit?

And supporting Enron in any way does not in any manner mean fostering a climate of cooking the books and shady accounting practices. Price caps wouldn't have worked and you know it. Throwing around 'Enron' in an attempt to smear the right is nothing more than an attempt to mislead the ignorant - such as Rep Waxman (D) did the day after the scandal broke. #14 Bill (see my last post)

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[lawrocket 3]

I concur. This entire climate thing is nothing new. Recall the Keating 5.

And I agree that any role that the NAACP or any other person arguing for reparations is far too remote in this matter.

Let the guilty pay up. Not those who may have a tangential relationship to the matter.

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[billvon 3,108]

> So may I equate this to a call on your part for the DNC, NAACP, and
> Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition to reimburse the gun
> manufacturers for ALL COSTS of their recent lawsuit?

Gun manufacturers? Where did that come from? Did I miss a bunch of posts?

> Throwing around 'Enron' in an attempt to smear the right is nothing
> more than an attempt to mislead the ignorant -

Just as claiming that bringing Jesse Jackson into a thread about reparations is nothing but an attempt to smear the left. Both claims are absurd; you usually present better arguments than that.

[lawrocket 3]

Gun manufacturers is a poor analogy. This is a product placed into downstream commerce - a tangible thing.

Sorry, Anvil. I agree with you 99 percent of the time, but this analogy won't work, despite all thos egun cases being thrown out.

Unfortunately, the NAACP and others arguing for reparations have free speech on their side, and I don't recall them ever specifically advocating a criminal act.

Much like a person who says "here's a way to avoid paying taxes" is only arrested if he actually helps people make fraudulent taxes.

Kinda like these people, eh? This is the exact same thing as any tax filing advertised by a right-wing anti-tax organization.

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[TheAnvil 0]

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Jesse Jackson simply set up an environment in which some people were encouraged to cheat, even though cheating on taxes has been going on essentially forever.

Not only set up an environment, he led the cheating charge. NAACP and NEA both file as tax exempt organizations exempt from federal income tax under section 501 (c)(5) yet expend MILLIONS during each election cycle in support of the DNC.

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And the Bush administration set up an environment where perhaps the most egrerious book-cookers (Enron) were not only unpunished, but encouraged,

Prove it. What federal agency is tasked with monitoring the books of private corporations? What law was put in place by the Bush administration that fostered this environment? Which executive order? There's not one.

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and allowed to set national energy policy.

No - they were allowed to give input for the national energy policy - up until this point there was none. I don't like the energy policy as written for many reasons, but believe having one is better than not.

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Could they have stopped the collapse if they had gone after Enron immediately?

And they would have known via crystal ball perhaps? What indicators?

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Probably not; perhaps they could have mitigated it a bit.

HOW praytell? By claiming dictatorial fiat over the markets illegally?

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Could Jesse Jackson stop people from cheating on their taxes by saying it's wrong? Probably not; he perhaps could have prevented a few people from doing it.

...and by not doing so himself.

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But claiming that the IRS should bill Jackson for people cheating on their taxes makes as much sense as claiming we should bill the administration for Enron's collapse.

No it makes far more sense, but was meant as a sarcastic form of humor to show my contempt for the garbage that results from his rhetoric rather than as an actual course of action.

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[billvon 3,108]

>Probably not; perhaps they could have mitigated it a bit.

>HOW praytell? By claiming dictatorial fiat over the markets illegally?

No. No more than Jackson could reach out and take legal control of anyone's tax returns. However, since Ken Lay and Bush were rather close (at least, in terms of money changing hands, time spent together, and advice sought) a presidential "cut it out" might have had an effect.

Let's say you ran a massive business, large enough to affect state economies, and you had frequent contact with the president of the US. And let's say he called you and said "Word to the wise - make sure your books are clean." You think maybe that might prompt you to review your books? Just maybe?

>Could Jesse Jackson stop people from cheating on their taxes by
> saying it's wrong? Probably not; he perhaps could have prevented a
> few people from doing it.

>...and by not doing so himself.

Agreed, and he should be prosecuted for _that._

[kallend 2,146]

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Really? The Bush administration forged the books at both Enron and WorldCom? Surely you know better. I suspect the lefties will use such lies in their upcoming campaign. Each time they mention Enron I shall think of the # 14 - that's the # of times Ken Lay spent the night in the Clintonista White House.

Maybe not.

www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/enron.htm

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[TheAnvil 0]

If snopes is correct - I suspect it is - then I've been duped about the #14. I'll still be thinking of those using the Enron/WorldCom lies as morons, however.

Interesting to see this resurrected.

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Just as claiming that bringing Jesse Jackson into a thread about reparations is nothing but an attempt to smear the left. Both claims are absurd; you usually present better arguments than that.

Not really!

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[TheAnvil 0]

Oh shit......do I have to snag a pointy little gnome hat now?

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Oh shit......do I have to snag a pointy little gnome hat now?

Yes, and a cool little lantern...

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Unfortunately, the NAACP and others arguing for reparations have free speech on their side, and I don't recall them ever specifically advocating a criminal act.

Perhaps you are aware of the Southern Poverty Law Center and Morris Dees? MD has made a career out of suing the KKK. Each time a KKK member does an act of violence, MD sues the local and national group. When he gets a settlement, he seizes/sells the assets.

Apparently, if you encourage an act, you can be held accountable for the actions of a listener.

I attempt to cheat on my taxes every year, but without much success because of my limited deductions.

If I had some good ideas and someone to blame for my actions, it would be cool. Currently, I blame society rather than going for specifics.