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kallend 2,146
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Age - There are laws in place for age required to own firearms.
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Competency - I think proficiency should be demonstrated in order to be allowed to carry a concealed weapon.
So you ARE in favor of some gun laws. Does that mean you disagree with John Rich's blanket statement "Gun Control Laws Don't Work!"
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
SkyDekker 1,465
I think I am going to bow out of gun related discussion.
Personally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine. But that probably has to do with the countries and cultures I grew up in.
Personally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine. But that probably has to do with the countries and cultures I grew up in.
QuoteSo you ARE in favor of some gun laws. Does that mean you disagree with John Rich's blanket statement "Gun Control Laws Don't Work!"
Depends on how you are reading his statement. I disagree that ALL gun controls don't work. I agree that SOME gun controls work. Namely, proficiency for CCW, no convicted felons, no insane people, tougher sentencing for crimes commited using a gun.
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QuotePersonally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine.
Does your police force carry handguns? Do you think it's asinine for them to do so?
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kallend 2,146
QuoteI think I am going to bow out of gun related discussion.
Personally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine. But that probably has to do with the countries and cultures I grew up in.
Dunno about that - I work on the south side of Chicago (26 years this month), that's Al Capone territory, and I've not ever felt the need to defend myself with a gun. Neither do any of my co-workers. On the whole, avoiding confrontational situations works better than entering them armed and confident that you can out-draw the bad guys.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteI think I am going to bow out of gun related discussion.
Personally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine. But that probably has to do with the countries and cultures I grew up in.
337 people were murdered in Philadelphia last year out of a population of 1.5 million. That's a 1:4,451 chance of being murdered in that single year.
The odds of being killed in an auto accident in a single given year are 1:18,585 according to the National Safety Council.
I guess wearing a seat belt is assinine.
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteI think I am going to bow out of gun related discussion.
Personally I find the notion that one needs a gun to protect oneself assinine. But that probably has to do with the countries and cultures I grew up in.
337 people were murdered in Philadelphia last year out of a population of 1.5 million. That's a 1:4,451 chance of being murdered in that single year.
The odds of being killed in an auto accident in a single given year are 1:18,585 according to the National Safety Council.
I guess wearing a seat belt is assinine.
Ahem - you are missing something quite important in this misuse of statistics.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I know....I'm comparing nationwide to citywide statistics. But, I'd bet that the rate of vehicular deaths is higher in the city than nationwide anyway.
kallend 2,146
QuoteI know....I'm comparing nationwide to citywide statistics. But, I'd bet that the rate of vehicular deaths is higher in the city than nationwide anyway.
Something else - hint, has to do with the proper control group.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Well, one control group is people in the city, the other is people in the country who ride in cars. But I still contend that would make the rate of vehicular deaths higher if using the same control groups.
Dr. Lott was the John M. Olin Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School from 1998-1999.
His bio:
mike
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His bio:
QuoteJohn R. Lott Jr., is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute. Before joining AEI, Mr. Lott was a senior research scholar at
Yale University’s School of Law. He has also held positions at the
University of Chicago, Stanford University, UCLA, the Wharton Business
School, and Rice University.
Additionally he was the Chief Economist at the United States Sentencing
Commission in 1988 and 1989.
Mr. Lott has published more than ninety articles in academic journals
including the Journal of Law and Economics and the Journal of Legal Studies,
and is a frequent contributor to major newspapers.
He is the bestselling author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime
and Gun Control Laws. His current book, The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost
Everything You’ve Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong, was just released by
Regnery Publishing in March 2003.
The data used in this book is available at www.johnlott.org.
mike
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kallend 2,146
QuoteDr. Lott was the John M. Olin Fellow at the University of Chicago Law School from 1998-1999.
His bio:QuoteJohn R. Lott Jr., is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute. Before joining AEI, Mr. Lott was a senior research scholar at
Yale University’s School of Law. He has also held positions at the
University of Chicago, Stanford University, UCLA, the Wharton Business
School, and Rice University.
Additionally he was the Chief Economist at the United States Sentencing
Commission in 1988 and 1989.
Mr. Lott has published more than ninety articles in academic journals
including the Journal of Law and Economics and the Journal of Legal Studies,
and is a frequent contributor to major newspapers.
He is the bestselling author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime
and Gun Control Laws. His current book, The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost
Everything You’ve Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong, was just released by
Regnery Publishing in March 2003.
The data used in this book is available at www.johnlott.org.
OK, so he didn't get a faculty position then.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
slug 1
We've got plenty of gun laws on the books already. The problem isn't that the laws don't work it's the lack of enforcement.
Use a gun commiting a crime first strike your out (sentence for 30-40 yr's no time off) no plead deals. You do the crime you do the time.
Mandatory minimum. Federal prison system has increased population by 300% over the last 10-15 years the placed is filled with street level drug dealers.
First offense street level drug dealers spend more time in jail than armed criminals.
A bad person can only break a gun law once if he never gets out of jail.
R.I.P.
Use a gun commiting a crime first strike your out (sentence for 30-40 yr's no time off) no plead deals. You do the crime you do the time.
Mandatory minimum. Federal prison system has increased population by 300% over the last 10-15 years the placed is filled with street level drug dealers.
First offense street level drug dealers spend more time in jail than armed criminals.
A bad person can only break a gun law once if he never gets out of jail.
R.I.P.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteDoes your police force carry handguns? Do you think it's asinine for them to do so?
No I don't, but I am not a police officer, I am very happy that I live in a country where the majority of people feel quite safe without carrying a gun around.
The fact that so many Americans only feel safe with a gun strapped to them says enough about your society when it comes to violent crime and violent offences.l
If you guys feel that the only way to combat all this violence is to throw more guns at it, be my guest, it doesn't affect me.
In the mean time, I am very happy, living here with the polite people who don't need guns to feel safe.
kallend 2,146
QuoteQuoteDoes your police force carry handguns? Do you think it's asinine for them to do so?
No I don't, but I am not a police officer, I am very happy that I live in a country where the majority of people feel quite safe without carrying a gun around.Quote
I believe that most in the US feel safe without being armed too. The people that "carry" are a tiny fraction of the population. AS I mentioned previously, I work in Chicago, and I feel no need for a firearm.
The fact that so many Americans only feel safe with a gun strapped to them says enough about your society when it comes to violent crime and violent offences.lQuoteI think it says more about their personalities than about the society. Having lived in the UK for 30 years and the US for 27, on the whole I don't see a whole lot of difference. If UK citizens had ready access to guns I bet just as large a fraction would "carry" as in the US.
If you guys feel that the only way to combat all this violence is to throw more guns at it, be my guest, it doesn't affect me.QuoteI don't think the pro-gun writing you see here is typical at all - it represents an extreme, just like skydivers tend to represent an extreme. The NRA has lots of members and is scary tp politicians, but it's still only a tiny fraction of the population.
In the mean time, I am very happy, living here with the polite people who don't need guns to feel safe.
There are plenty of people like that in the USA too. Don't take a forum of skydivers as typical.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Jimbo 0
You don't believe it's asinine for the police force to carry guns, why not?
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteYou don't believe it's asinine for the police force to carry guns, why not?
Because it is a safety tool required to do their job.
rehmwa 2
QuoteThe fact that so many Americans only feel safe with a gun strapped to
I doubt the percentage is that big. Some do, some don't. If it's a right, why begrudge it to those that do provided they are responsible about it?
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteI doubt the percentage is that big. Some do, some don't. If it's a right, why begrudge it to those that do provided they are responsible about it?
Eventhough it is a right, that does not mean I have to agree with it. Also doesn't mean I begrudge those that do.
Read that part a couple times and started to laugh out loud. Thanks for that. Drinking and shooting going hand in hand, huh
I'd be more in line with treating guns like cars than liquor if we had to make that choice: exceptions for younger people based on circumstances, private property use not the government's business, learner's permits.
My father's been a gunsmith for (50?) years now. I grew up with the things. It's not the gun, it's the users. People break laws and we shouldn't be making excuses like the 'gun did it'.
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