quade 4 #101 January 20, 2004 Quote I was just replying your post to simply state my beliefs that everyone's view of the war is strongly based on their political affiliation, and hardly based on their actual beliefs of what should be done. Not true. I completely supported the seach for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and OBL. I felt my support for that effort had been betrayed when the President decided the search for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and OBL was no longer the number one priority.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #102 January 20, 2004 QuoteQuote I was just replying your post to simply state my beliefs that everyone's view of the war is strongly based on their political affiliation, and hardly based on their actual beliefs of what should be done. Not true. I completely supported the seach for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and OBL. I felt my support for that effort had been betrayed when the President decided the search for the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and OBL was no longer the number one priority. You must mean this? Sept. 13, 2001, "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Followed several months later by: "I don't know where he is and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." It's a case of changing your objectives to fit your results.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #103 January 20, 2004 Hi, Kallend. QuoteSept. 13, 2001, "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." Followed several months later by: "I don't know where he is and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." I am still looking to find that exact quote....can you link it for me? I've looked and looked, but still can't find where Bush said it....linked here is a post which addresses that exact quote, and my response to BillV about it.., the post from before.... So if you have a source from Bush, please please please post it. Thanks! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #104 January 20, 2004 I do not consider myself an idiot, and I've read alot of your posts, you are not an idiot either. I can do idiotic things, and I have. I don't like many presidents we've had. I'm not a democrat, nor a republican. I would not ever confine my beliefs to one party or the other. That would be idiotic. I don't vote. I would not make a difference anyway. I feel the government blows-period.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #105 January 20, 2004 Quote I can do idiotic things, and I have. You mean like call many people, including myself, idiots? Quote I would not ever confine my beliefs to one party or the other. That would be idiotic. Actually it was people that lumped me in with a party. This is because of my views and opinions and most importantly, what I think is right for our society. So whether I lump myself or not, people will do the lumping for me. Now my question is, before I tae offense, why is it you feel people who choose a party are idiots? BTW michele, these political threads are much more enjoyable when you get involved.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kramer 0 #106 January 20, 2004 QuoteI don't vote. I would not make a difference anyway. I feel the government blows-period. A.) Then why are you living here? B.) If everyone had the same attitude you do about voting, would you be able to understand the fact that you do make a difference? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #107 January 20, 2004 QuoteBTW michele, these political threads are much more enjoyable when you get involved. LOL, Jason. Thanks. (or do I detect a note of sarcasm therein?? j/k!!) The pity is that Kallend hasn't backed up his claim....and Benny never came through. Although you can see that both of them have been around. I wonder why? I'm not that scary.... Sigh. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #108 January 20, 2004 Just to prove I'm fair and balanced . . . I've searched for those exact quotes on Google and a few other places and I find them quite a bit, but I can't say I've found the exact quotes on any credible news sites. Oh, I've found stuff that is very close, but not the exact quotes which kind of pisses me off. That's not to say that he didn't say it, but it's certainly not in his September 13, 2001 address to the Nation, for instance.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #109 January 20, 2004 Quote I can't say I've found the exact quotes on any credible news sites. Oh, I've found stuff that is very close, but not the exact quotes which kind of pisses me off. What I've discovered is that if something similar was said, words were changed around, by whomever, and made it inflammatory. Further, the "priorty" claim was alledgedly from March 13, 2002 (I think), but in the except I linked (on the other post) he didn't say that at all. I believe I linked the entire transcript there, but I'm not sure. It's a typical tactic (from any direction) which is why I've gotten into the habit of checking things out when they're quoted - simply because if it's wrong, I don't want to pass on incorrect info. I would really like it if Kallend could source the quote....but I don't think he can. (And I'm still wondering what ever happened to Benny...). Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #110 January 20, 2004 QuoteJust to prove I'm fair and balanced . . . I've searched for those exact quotes on Google and a few other places and I find them quite a bit, but I can't say I've found the exact quotes on any credible news sites. Oh, I've found stuff that is very close, but not the exact quotes which kind of pisses me off. . What do you expect? It's almost impossible to transcribe exactly what someone who's totally inarticulate says. Different translators will report it in different ways. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #111 January 20, 2004 QuoteIt's a case of changing your objectives to fit your results. No...its a case of putting words in one's mouth and then putting your foot in yours. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #112 January 20, 2004 Just to make it perfectly clear, I'm not pissed off at you, but rather the fact that it's so widely reported on questionable web sites with the exact quotes, but I can't find it exactly quoted on more main stream sources. What especially would piss me off would be to find out he never said anything like the September 13, 2001 quote. The problem I have is that I don't think he actually said "Osama Bin Laden" until quite awhile after that.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #113 January 20, 2004 QuoteWhat do you expect? It's almost impossible to transcribe exactly what someone who's totally inarticulate says. Different translators will report it in different ways. If you're going to make it the whole point of your argument, I would suggest you do get it correct if you want to be taken seriously. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,084 #114 January 20, 2004 >"I don't know where he is and I really don't care. It's not that > important. It's not our priority." The actual quote is: "So I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him . . . I truly am not that concerned about him." -George W Bush, 3/13/02 (link to original text) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #115 January 20, 2004 QuoteQuoteJust to prove I'm fair and balanced . . . I've searched for those exact quotes on Google and a few other places and I find them quite a bit, but I can't say I've found the exact quotes on any credible news sites. Oh, I've found stuff that is very close, but not the exact quotes which kind of pisses me off. . What do you expect? It's almost impossible to transcribe exactly what someone who's totally inarticulate says. Different translators will report it in different ways. Weak, Kallend, very weak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #116 January 20, 2004 Here's a link to all official speeched GWB gave from 09/11/01 to 09/16/01 (and one from 09/20/01). 09/11/01 bin Ladin not mentioned September 11, 2001 bin Ladin is not mentioned. letter to congress 09/12/01well, no mention here, either... 09/13/01 bin Ladin not mentioned. Hrmmmm.... 09/14/01 bin Ladin not mentioned. 09/13/01 um.... 09/14/01 at Ground Zero Nope.... 09/15/01 bin Ladin not mentioned here either... Radio address, 09/15/01 Sigh... 09/16/01 guess what? 9/20/01 text oh dear. (just so you all know what I did, I used the word search function [control button 'f', typed in bin ladin, and hit search...now, it could be in there, but the feature didn't find it...) BTW, here's SH's speech on September 13, 2001...interesting (Dunno how accurate a translation it is, but it's an interesting read....) And to put the information BillV and Kallend selectively quoted in context, here is the entire question and answer.... " Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban. But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money. And we've got more work to do. See, that's the thing the American people have got to understand, that we've only been at this six months. This is going to be a long struggle. I keep saying that; I don't know whether you all believe me or not. But time will show you that it's going to take a long time to achieve this objective. And I can assure you, I am not going to blink. And I'm not going to get tired. Because I know what is at stake. And history has called us to action, and I am going to seize this moment for the good of the world, for peace in the world and for freedom. " Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bor 0 #117 January 20, 2004 QuoteHere's a link to all official speeched GWB gave from 09/11/01 to 09/16/01 (and one from 09/20/01). 09/11/01 bin Ladin not mentioned September 11, 2001 bin Ladin is not mentioned. letter to congress 09/12/01well, no mention here, either... 09/13/01 bin Ladin not mentioned. Hrmmmm.... 09/14/01 bin Ladin not mentioned. 09/13/01 um.... 09/14/01 at Ground Zero Nope.... 09/15/01 bin Ladin not mentioned here either... Radio address, 09/15/01 Sigh... 09/16/01 guess what? 9/20/01 text oh dear. (just so you all know what I did, I used the word search function [control button 'f', typed in bin ladin, and hit search...now, it could be in there, but the feature didn't find it...) bin laden! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazyfrog 0 #118 January 20, 2004 when were thes riots ???---------- Fumer tue, péter pue ------------- ourson #10, Mosquito Uno, CBT 579 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatmissile 0 #119 January 20, 2004 I wish I could tick the "I am sick of Iraq threads" option... -- ZZZzzzz.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #120 January 20, 2004 I should have said that would be idiotic for me, not everyone else. I've tried to be one way or the other, My opinions do not allow it. No offense was intended toward anyone. I posted in here to answer the original question, not to debate my beliefs.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #121 January 20, 2004 I don't vote, because I do not care for the choices that are put before me, I can't even trust them. i live here because I was born here, and I do like it here. I just do not trust the government,and I do not care for alot of the things it chooses to do. That is my freedom to have that opinion, and I'll keep it thank you. Why would you want me to vote for someone I know nothing about. I think they are all liars. I cannot in good conscience vote for a liar. If you want to continue this disscussion then PM me, I only posted here to answer the original question, and I think posting this discussion in this thread is rude.-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #122 January 20, 2004 QuoteWhy would you want me to vote for someone I know nothing about. I think they are all liars. I cannot in good conscience vote for a liar.-Caress Cool -- I wish everyone who didn't know or care anything about politics would refrain from voting right along with you. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #123 January 20, 2004 HMMMMMMMMMMMMM,last post-final answer-Caress I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #124 January 20, 2004 Quotebin laden! Good point. I was tired. However.... bin laden shows up exactly once in all of those links.... Presser, September 16, 2001.... Q Mr. President, do you believe Osama bin Laden's denial that he had anything to do with this? THE PRESIDENT: No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that. It's still not the quote I was looking for, and that Kallend is using.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #125 January 20, 2004 Why do Kallends work for him? He posted it, he should back it up or retract it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
