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Just make sure it's us that gets the beer, cause if not for us, it wouldn't be flaming.

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The next time I'm in Colorado or Texas, I'll buy my beer... Or catch me at Florabama, WFFC, or Lost Prairie.
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The next time I'm in Colorado or Texas, I'll buy my beer... Or catch me at Florabama, WFFC, or Lost Prairie.



Well since I suck so bad at names, you find me at WFFC, most people know who I am and where I hang out.
May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

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I'm pretty bad with names too.. uh Deb, no, Jul, no, Sara, it's Sara right? No? But it does start with an S? There an S in it, right? :)
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You're right, Kev, I may be overreacting. However, this person knows me, she and I have had discussions at the DZ. She knows that I post here as "Michele" This person can be as suspicious as she likes, and she can think whatever she chooses about me. I don't have to like it, however. And it does rankle me. There are few guaranteed ways to piss me off - one of them is baseless accusations and impungnation of my integrity, however slight that may be (in this kind of situation...I am not talking about political discussions...LOL). This is NOT wreck.dot.

Thanks, Judy. I had hoped that the reaction from most people would either be an honest question in the post (ala Skreamer), or an understanding that there is no way I would knowingly be involved in a scam, that my home DZ is Elsinore, and that this was a real, honest attempt to help my friends.

Doug, come jump with me. You'll see me as real. Real fast. As in fall rate.

And Lummy - yes, I have a shady character. When it's 104 degrees out, I sit in the shade. Nyah.

Ciels-
Michele



Here is the post Michelle is so bent about originally posted to the Jackie Died thread
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This thread is actually very interesting.

It tells many things about an internet culture and about individual posters.

I read the post Jackie died at such-n-such a time. I thought who the heck is Jackie-such-n-such. I checked the incidents to see if it was a delayed death from a previous incident. Not seeing anything there- I just blew it off. No one I know - no one doing something that was skydiving related.

The posts on the Jackie died thread are very telling. One is that people are very susceptible to believing everything they read on the internet. I suppose that's why spammers and viruses succeed so well. Two, is that people [here] think that there are no 'bad' guys lurking.

Maybe I have a different perspective, but I always consider the troll factor when reading a post. Much to my surprise, there are posts that I thought were trolls that seemed to be legitimate questions. I guess I do not always realize how little new jumpers know. [what do I know - I'm still trying to figure out what an 'unintentional turn' under canopy is]

I live in a tiny retirement community. There are scams directed toward the seniors all the time. Scams toward 'people that believe what they read on DZ.com' are in the same vein.

I think this thread's most important lesson is that DZ.com has to mature a bit. There is a wide readership of experience levels. There is a tiny experience level of posters.

One other - sort of related issue

I read posts without paying attention to the poster's name. I read the post for donations to be sent to elsinoreappeal@hotmail.com. I immediately thought someone was scamming for donations. Then a few posts of convoluted "I'm sending stuff to Elsinore for them to change the password by yet another poster". I don't know about you, but I couldn't tell if that was a legitimate deal or not. It was only a day later when I looked at who the posters were & sort of figured out that their intention was correct and everything was on the up-n-up. That's the only time I considered that the proposition might be legitimate. In my emails to S. Cal jumpers I left that option out because there was still doubt in my mind if that was a legitimate email for Elsinore. It begged the question, why don't they use an email with SkydiveElsinore.com in it??



Michelle- our 'discussions' at the dz amount to a one time encounter where you lectured me on how to prevent low turn fatalities. Most of which I have heard for many, many years. After that one time 'discussion', I went over to some longer time jumpers and rhetorically ask why new jumpers thought they had the answer to the 'landing under a perfectly good canopy problem', Do they not see that the collective whole of USPA, the industry and jumpers have seen this for many years and still do not have a solution. If there is something new, tell me all about it, but rehashing things we have known for 20 or 30 years for 45 minutes gets to be tiring.

Please take a moment to stand in the shoes of people that do not know you or ever bother to look at your profile and consider how they might see how your post for Elsinore may have come across. I was not the only person that questioned the paypal account you set up. I did suggest to Betsy yesterday that they change the email addy to something with SkydiveElsinore.com in it. It's more credible. I know your intentions were on the up-n-up, but you could have asked for an Elsinore email addy when you set up the account.
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Michele -

Don't want to break the mood, but just wanted to ask... who was Jackie, and what happened to her? I saw the post announcing she was gone, but I did not know the circumstances.

I feel very bad that this happened, but don't even know her. Can you illuminate?

Thanks -

TOM

PS: Great name - my sister's name as well

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

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LOL, we've spoken several more times than just once, and I didn't lecture you about anything. We've spoken at Perris, at Elsinore, and here. Once, I asked for your opinion as to how to prevent low turns, and you basically said you didn't care, people were people, and you used to take bets at boogies as to who would "frap in" that. It was at that point in the conversation I walked away. Subsequent conversations here have led to your labeling me (and others) as "dense".

As I have done before, I am walking away from the conversation now.

Have a great day.

Ciels-
Michele


~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

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Oh I get it, you're just a hoax, and there isn't any beer either :(

Edited to add:
It really breaks my heart to see two friends that I love and respect, have a disagreement.
May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

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:o No!!! My thread is dying... :o

Live damn you, live!!!

Charge to 200, Clear!!!
Charge to 250, Clear!!!!
Screw it, connect it to the 50 amp circuit!!!

BOOOM!!! (smell of burnt plastic and silicon)

Oh well, guess that's it....

Time of death 7:12 pm :(

Eh, I guess 62 posts ain't bad :)
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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