lawrocket 3 #1 January 22, 2004 What do y'all think? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MochaSkyChick 0 #2 January 22, 2004 I don't think that he should be banned completely from baseball but I don't think he should get a spot in the Hall of Fame. PMS #62 Zarza R[red Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #3 January 22, 2004 Can't help it. I have been a Charley Hustle fan for as long as I could throw a ball and I think he has gotten a raw deal. Half of those in the Hall of Fame have shady character whether it be heavy drinking, drugs or womanizing or what ever vice you can come up with. Love him or not, he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. FYI: I am sure most will know but for those who do not know, before you ask, Charley Hustle is Petey Rose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #4 January 22, 2004 He broke the cardnal rule of baseball, and he should serve his punishment. From the interviews I have seen Pete is not genuinely sorry for what he did and now he's profiting from it. There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #5 January 22, 2004 I say let him back in. It aint like he tried to fix games or anything. He just placed some bets. I dont see the big deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #6 January 22, 2004 from what I've seen on various sports sites and pubs, if Pete gets reinstated it won't matter; his book and his unrepentant attitude ("The only thing I did wrong was I got caught") have lost him too much support. I don't think he will get elected to the Hall. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #7 January 22, 2004 Banned for life. In the beginning he said that he didn't gamble. Now, in his latest book, he claims that he did, but never against his team. What to believe? I believe that he's willing to say whatever he thinks the folks in charge want to hear. Screw him. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #8 January 22, 2004 QuoteIt aint like he tried to fix games or anything He just placed some bets The big deal is this, On the first game of a 3 game series he bet $500, then lost, 2nd game he bet $1000, then on the third he didnt make a bet. What that tells his bookie is that he doesnt think he can win that game so the bookie changes the odds. IMHO its the same as fixing a game. He doesnt believe that his team will win. Edited to add. The amounts are hypothetical. There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #9 January 22, 2004 QuoteWhat do y'all think? He knew the rules going in. He gave up his spot in baseball and the hall of fame by his own actions, not those of someone else. He has told so many lies in the past how do know when he's not lying. Now he comes off like a whining little league brat. jmo SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chute 0 #10 January 22, 2004 They can't prove he bet on his own team. So what is the foul. When you have guys like Strawberry to go in and out of rehab a dozen times for coke. He can still be a part of baseball.Bottomless Beers and Blue Skies! * Brother_Brian * D.S.W.F.S.B. #2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #11 January 22, 2004 QuoteThey can't prove he bet on his own team. So what is the foul. When you have guys like Strawberry to go in and out of rehab a dozen times for coke. He can still be a part of baseball. Pay attention, he admitted he bet on his own team. Now he says he never bet against them. Betting on baseball has been a life sentence since the "Black Socks" in the early part of the century. Rose screwed up, don't to the crime if you can't to the time. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 January 22, 2004 I'll say this. It hasn't been proven or suggested that he did anything wrong as a player. I think 4,000 hits is a Hall of Fame statistic. Why not let him in as a player, and put something in his section about how he disgraced baseball afterwards. That means, let him in, but subject him to the scorn. I think that's fair. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cuchulinn 0 #13 January 22, 2004 QuoteI'll say this. It hasn't been proven or suggested that he did anything wrong as a player. I think 4,000 hits is a Hall of Fame statistic. I agree, AND his 4000 hits are immortalized in the Hall of Fame, the Ball, the Bat the Uniform, are all there with his name all over them. His "PLAY" is immortalized in the hall in a few different areas. What is missing his is "Bust" with Plaque on the second floor of the Hall. There is was post stating he never fixed a game, maybe, maybe not.. never been proven so I'd like to believe NOT, BUT he has admitted to betting on his own team. Someone asked, "What's wrong with that" Well think about it, if you were his bookie and you take his bets. The day he doesn't bet for his team to win, that alone gives you enough info that Pete knew the match-up didn't fair well for his team and although he always believed he'd win, on those days he did not bet on his team he must have believed there was a good enough chance they would lose. Now the bookie has this info, makes a few calls on a "tip" that the reds will lose and whalaaaaa. You can see the HUGE conflict that creates. He broke the cardinal law posted in every locker room in all of major league club houses, A Ball through the Majors. NO GAMBLING ON BASEBALL That being said, when he was banned for life by Bart G. there was no rule by the Baseball Hall of Fame stating Banned players can not be inducted in the hall. That rule was only instated the year before Pete would have ben eligiable. Since the Hall and MLB are run by separate entities, even if Pete was reinstated, the Hall still has the final desicion on who gets in, and the way his latest pub has been and the outspeak of the voting members already in the hall. He will NEVER get it even if Selic (spelling) decided today to fully reinstate him into baseball. The senior member will doubtfully ever vote him in. Just my 2 cents worth. SMA#18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #14 January 22, 2004 QuoteWhat do y'all think? He knew the rules and he made his choices. Regardless of whether there is a right or wrong, there are certainly consequences. He was fully aware of the consequences if he got caught, and he bet the ranch that he wouldn't get caught. He got caught. End of story. I wish he had made different decisions, but his decisions were clear and binding. Shoeless Joe, OTOH, should be inducted into Cooperstown. He got screwed. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoeyRamone 0 #15 January 22, 2004 Pete was on of the best to play the game ever! So he liked to bet Big deal. He is not snorting coke, Molesting chids or women. He liked to bet. You can not take away that he is one of the best ever, he should be let back into the game and into the hall of fame. Hell he has been out for 10 years, is that not enough? For the people that say ban him for life, well you all must be angles and NEVER do any wrong....Bullshit we all fuck up some way some how..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingILweenie 0 #16 January 22, 2004 Induct him into the Hall after he dies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WILDBILLAQR 0 #17 January 22, 2004 Good call! I feel he is one of the better players of all time,BUT, he lied to all of his fans! Not just once, but for over 10 years! Let him in after he dies.---------------------------------------------- "Thats not smoke, thats BUCKEYE!!" AQR#3,CWR#49 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #18 January 22, 2004 QuotePete was on of the best to play the game ever! So he liked to bet Big deal. He is not snorting coke, Molesting chids or women. He liked to bet. You can not take away that he is one of the best ever, he should be let back into the game and into the hall of fame. Hell he has been out for 10 years, is that not enough? For the people that say ban him for life, well you all must be angles and NEVER do any wrong....Bullshit we all fuck up some way some how..... The above was posted by the same guy who's motto is "Whocares" SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites murrays 0 #19 January 23, 2004 They should let Pete Rose into the HOF right after Shoeless Joe Jackson goes in.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Douva 0 #20 January 23, 2004 I don't get the logic of keeping him out of the Hall of Fame. Banning him from participating in Baseball I can understand--It's the punishment for betting on games--But we're not talking about the Virtue Hall of Fame, we're talking about the Baseball Hall of Fame. Players get in based on their skill, not based on the content of their character. If we're going to start banning bad guys from the Hall, we're going to have to go back and yank a few names that have already been admitted. Blue skies, DouvaI don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFKING 4 #21 January 23, 2004 He should be in. I never have liked the Reds, but I always admired the way he played "balls-to-the-wall" every inning of his career...he never tanked during a game. So what if his scruples suck ? So do politicians'....but some of them get elected to the Presidency. If he broke the law by gambling, prosecute him and throw his ass in jail already...but entry into The Hall should only be based on what happens between the foul lines. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdgregory 0 #22 January 23, 2004 QuoteIf he broke the law by gambling, prosecute him and throw his ass in jail already...but entry into The Hall should only be based on what happens between the foul lines. Absolutlely. The Hall of Fame is about achievement in the sport. We cannot deny his athletic talent or his accomplishments in Baseball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cuchulinn 0 #23 January 23, 2004 I agree with the fact that stats MORE THAN DEFINATELY merit HOF recognition, and in the past no one cared about players that routinely got drunk or womanized etc, it was more accepted and in many crowds expected back in the days of the Babe and Mantle. Hell Ty Cobb was rumored to beat the shit out of a cripple in the stands because he booed him! Unfortunately for Pete, he's a victim of a politically sensitive time and his actions will not be tolorated. Hell the President's SOU address called upon atheletes to be more of a roll model. Pete, among other things, is a victim of bad timing (along with poor judgement) BUT.. (oh the BUTS...) in a sport where the players union (which is one, if not, the strongest union in the US) fought NOT to have players tested for drugs and until last year could not be busted for steriod use because steriods were not on the list of baseballs banned substances, EVEN THOUGH they are illegal in the US. With all these contridictions, why are they holding such a hard line against Rose??? Something to debate!!! My opinion, as unfounded as it might be, is Pete Broke the ONLY rule written in every locker room, GAMBLING ON BASEBALL. He could have commited murder (err.... OJ), could have done drugs... (take your pick), womanize.. (err.... maybe 95 percent of all pro atletes in the HOF now), were drunkards . etc... He could have still gotten in.. why??? Because none of those rules are posted in the locker room, and NO other pro atlete has ever been found guilty of betting on the sport in which he played. The ONLY exception is the Black Sox scandle, the only precedence and NONE of those involved are in the HOF and to this day are still band. Pete made bad decisions... plain and simple SMA#18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites burbleflyer 0 #24 January 23, 2004 Anybody ever been to the hall of fame? He's already in there. His gloves and uniform are part of a private collection and he gets top billing. He's got plenty of shit in Cooperstown. He broke the rules, he got busted, he lied about it for 15+ years, and now he's a whiny, arrogant bitch about it. Sorry, I hate double standards for anyone. Keep him out. Thats one of the problems with this country today. No accountablity. People need to take responsibility for their actions. "I'm sorry" doesnt always cut it. His behavior doesnt show he's sorry. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES OUTATHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #25 January 23, 2004 My 3.5 cents - The game has rules, written and unwritten. You break the rules (i.e. drugs, gambling, criminal record for whatever, etc.) MLB should help you to try to straighten your life out. If you do, great, if you don't you don't. The player contracts should have built in clauses that simply state if you screw up once, we'll help you out, but your banned from the HOF because of your actions, you're not a good role model any more and the HOF is for the elite, best of the best, the ones who make the game shine, etc. If you hit strike two, your out of the game for good. El finito, gone, strike three you're out.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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winsor 236 #14 January 22, 2004 QuoteWhat do y'all think? He knew the rules and he made his choices. Regardless of whether there is a right or wrong, there are certainly consequences. He was fully aware of the consequences if he got caught, and he bet the ranch that he wouldn't get caught. He got caught. End of story. I wish he had made different decisions, but his decisions were clear and binding. Shoeless Joe, OTOH, should be inducted into Cooperstown. He got screwed. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #15 January 22, 2004 Pete was on of the best to play the game ever! So he liked to bet Big deal. He is not snorting coke, Molesting chids or women. He liked to bet. You can not take away that he is one of the best ever, he should be let back into the game and into the hall of fame. Hell he has been out for 10 years, is that not enough? For the people that say ban him for life, well you all must be angles and NEVER do any wrong....Bullshit we all fuck up some way some how..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #16 January 22, 2004 Induct him into the Hall after he dies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WILDBILLAQR 0 #17 January 22, 2004 Good call! I feel he is one of the better players of all time,BUT, he lied to all of his fans! Not just once, but for over 10 years! Let him in after he dies.---------------------------------------------- "Thats not smoke, thats BUCKEYE!!" AQR#3,CWR#49 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 January 22, 2004 QuotePete was on of the best to play the game ever! So he liked to bet Big deal. He is not snorting coke, Molesting chids or women. He liked to bet. You can not take away that he is one of the best ever, he should be let back into the game and into the hall of fame. Hell he has been out for 10 years, is that not enough? For the people that say ban him for life, well you all must be angles and NEVER do any wrong....Bullshit we all fuck up some way some how..... The above was posted by the same guy who's motto is "Whocares" SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #19 January 23, 2004 They should let Pete Rose into the HOF right after Shoeless Joe Jackson goes in.-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #20 January 23, 2004 I don't get the logic of keeping him out of the Hall of Fame. Banning him from participating in Baseball I can understand--It's the punishment for betting on games--But we're not talking about the Virtue Hall of Fame, we're talking about the Baseball Hall of Fame. Players get in based on their skill, not based on the content of their character. If we're going to start banning bad guys from the Hall, we're going to have to go back and yank a few names that have already been admitted. Blue skies, DouvaI don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #21 January 23, 2004 He should be in. I never have liked the Reds, but I always admired the way he played "balls-to-the-wall" every inning of his career...he never tanked during a game. So what if his scruples suck ? So do politicians'....but some of them get elected to the Presidency. If he broke the law by gambling, prosecute him and throw his ass in jail already...but entry into The Hall should only be based on what happens between the foul lines. Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #22 January 23, 2004 QuoteIf he broke the law by gambling, prosecute him and throw his ass in jail already...but entry into The Hall should only be based on what happens between the foul lines. Absolutlely. The Hall of Fame is about achievement in the sport. We cannot deny his athletic talent or his accomplishments in Baseball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cuchulinn 0 #23 January 23, 2004 I agree with the fact that stats MORE THAN DEFINATELY merit HOF recognition, and in the past no one cared about players that routinely got drunk or womanized etc, it was more accepted and in many crowds expected back in the days of the Babe and Mantle. Hell Ty Cobb was rumored to beat the shit out of a cripple in the stands because he booed him! Unfortunately for Pete, he's a victim of a politically sensitive time and his actions will not be tolorated. Hell the President's SOU address called upon atheletes to be more of a roll model. Pete, among other things, is a victim of bad timing (along with poor judgement) BUT.. (oh the BUTS...) in a sport where the players union (which is one, if not, the strongest union in the US) fought NOT to have players tested for drugs and until last year could not be busted for steriod use because steriods were not on the list of baseballs banned substances, EVEN THOUGH they are illegal in the US. With all these contridictions, why are they holding such a hard line against Rose??? Something to debate!!! My opinion, as unfounded as it might be, is Pete Broke the ONLY rule written in every locker room, GAMBLING ON BASEBALL. He could have commited murder (err.... OJ), could have done drugs... (take your pick), womanize.. (err.... maybe 95 percent of all pro atletes in the HOF now), were drunkards . etc... He could have still gotten in.. why??? Because none of those rules are posted in the locker room, and NO other pro atlete has ever been found guilty of betting on the sport in which he played. The ONLY exception is the Black Sox scandle, the only precedence and NONE of those involved are in the HOF and to this day are still band. Pete made bad decisions... plain and simple SMA#18 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burbleflyer 0 #24 January 23, 2004 Anybody ever been to the hall of fame? He's already in there. His gloves and uniform are part of a private collection and he gets top billing. He's got plenty of shit in Cooperstown. He broke the rules, he got busted, he lied about it for 15+ years, and now he's a whiny, arrogant bitch about it. Sorry, I hate double standards for anyone. Keep him out. Thats one of the problems with this country today. No accountablity. People need to take responsibility for their actions. "I'm sorry" doesnt always cut it. His behavior doesnt show he's sorry. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES OUTATHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #25 January 23, 2004 My 3.5 cents - The game has rules, written and unwritten. You break the rules (i.e. drugs, gambling, criminal record for whatever, etc.) MLB should help you to try to straighten your life out. If you do, great, if you don't you don't. The player contracts should have built in clauses that simply state if you screw up once, we'll help you out, but your banned from the HOF because of your actions, you're not a good role model any more and the HOF is for the elite, best of the best, the ones who make the game shine, etc. If you hit strike two, your out of the game for good. El finito, gone, strike three you're out.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
