storm1977 0 #26 January 22, 2004 QuoteWhy exactly is this a problem in a capitalist society? It is not, my arguement is that a great deal of people in this country want to change the system. The USA is a change to the system. If you recall this country was created to get away from the European ideas and fundamentals. George washington warning in 1797 that in the future people would try to change the foundation of the coutry through poitical means which revolutions could not change. The Ben and Jerry guys are prime examples of what capitalism is.... That is why there "Socialistic" views surprise me. If they want to donate their income to those "less fortunate" or "less motivated" to work, fine... But this isn't RobinHood. This take from the rich and give to the poor, redistribution of wealth scheme is BS. That is just my opinion of course. I will pay for my own college, my own food, my own way. And god forbid I loose my job, I won't sit around and collect the the 13 weeks of "FREE" unemployment. I will find a PT job flipping burgers if I have to to pay the bills, and use the other time to find a job. But hey, that is just me... I guess I don't fall under that "Fat Lazy American" catagory. Chris (sorry about spelling) ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #27 January 22, 2004 QuoteWhy not try getting beyond the medium and look at the message. I looked at the message, and I'll be happy to comment on that now. My initial [admittedly superficial] reply was to express my detestation for the ever-growing misconception that all exchanges must be accompanied by rainbows and cookies. It reminds me of these words to the wise which, I believe hold a lot of truth. As for maintaining budgets by open spending at the end of the term so as not to lose the money the following year? Well, this happens everywhere, it's a result of bureaucracy, and while I agree it is a problem, I don't see how it relates to the relative budget appropriations in question. If you want to start another discussion about finding and eliminating waste in federal dollars spent, I think we'd have a lot of agreement. I'm not a teacher, but that doesn't mean I haven't had my eyes open as I went through schools in all kinds of different neighborhoods. My parents moved a couple times, and the districts I was in were constantly changing their borders. I saw four different types of people. -people with very little that are lazy -people with very little who are bright and motivated -people from wealthy families who are lazy -people from wealthy families who are bright and motivated Two of these are atrocities. I come from a family that's well off, and I've gotten shit about this plenty in my life. I'm apparently not expected to do anything but well in school. It's apparently not a surprise I've acquired internships and built a strong resume for an undergraduate, and how could I not get a job out of school, after all I came from a wealthy family. I'll tell you right now this is bullshit. I've worked my ass off through school to get where I am, and there's plenty of people (yourself included I'd guess) that have done the same. Giving schools more money is not going to be some miraculous solution, I think it's more important to reward hard work and motivation. I'd be more interested to see the federal government spend money to give more academic scholarships to people wanting to attend universities and let the states deal with the rest of education. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmatousek 0 #28 January 22, 2004 I can show you 100 kids who have the opportunity to be productive citizens in this country and whose parents are on welfare. And the comment about giving schools more money not being a miracle solution is true, however it's rarely heard that teachers, on average, give about $1,600 out of thier own pocket per year to enhance the education of our children. Please don't tell me the federal government could not handle that. This upsets me, especially when education is such a low priorty to Mr. GWBLife doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #29 January 22, 2004 QuoteIf I need to file for unemployment I will, but I've been paying plenty into the system for the last 16 years. Clean up the system, then I won't mind. In it's current state, I will never vote to add more money to it. Unless you are en employer you have not personally paid anything in to unemployment. And the employer pays an insurance premium that goes up if they fire to many people. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #30 January 22, 2004 What ever it is, I've been paying money to someone. And I'm pretty sure a portion of my tax money goes to the unemployed... therefore, I have no qualms taking it back. There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #31 January 22, 2004 Quote >> I am suggesting that like every other federal spending program there is a hell of a lot of waste.<< I do not disagree. But the flash thing to which your link referred did not discuss eliminating waste. It discussed cutting the military budget and using the $ for other programs. So you cut the budget by eliminating waste. Quote As Americans, we have chosen not to go to war with low-wage, conscripted soldiers. Not conscripted but certainly low wage. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #32 January 23, 2004 >>Not conscripted but certainly low wage. << Yeah, I should have been more specific there. Our soldiers are low wage by US standards. They are, however, wealthy by the standards of many enemy soldiers. I was referring to the latter. The former remains a problem. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites