skywombat 0 #1 December 13, 2010 Hello So I had an odd experience today. It started as a normal fun jump. I opened at 3.5, cleared both brakes, did my control check (and it was fine), and started flying back to the DZ. I was just flying around normally, and at one point I wanted to make yet another right turn. So I tried to pull down on the right toggle, and it wouldn't budge! Upon examination, it looks like the top (stiff) part of the toggle managed to get itself threaded into the metal ring when I brought it back up following a previous turn. Pulling straight down on the toggle didn't help to free it, as friction between the top part of the toggle and the ring made the ring want to come down with it. I had to use one hand to hold the ring in position while using the other to free the toggle. Fortunately, I was high enough and far enough away from other people to be able to do this. After freeing the toggle, I was able to fly a normal landing. But, I could see this being a much bigger problem if it happened on final/flare. I guess what made it scary is that the toggle got stuck following a few turns (way after the initial control check). Has anyone ever had something similar happen to them? What did you do? Searching around brought up a number of slider-related stuck toggle problems, but this is was not the case for me. Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #2 December 13, 2010 QuoteHello So I had an odd experience today. It started as a normal fun jump. I opened at 3.5, cleared both brakes, did my control check (and it was fine), and started flying back to the DZ. I was just flying around normally, and at one point I wanted to make yet another right turn. So I tried to pull down on the right toggle, and it wouldn't budge! Upon examination, it looks like the top (stiff) part of the toggle managed to get itself threaded into the metal ring when I brought it back up following a previous turn. Pulling straight down on the toggle didn't help to free it, as friction between the top part of the toggle and the ring made the ring want to come down with it. I had to use one hand to hold the ring in position while using the other to free the toggle. Fortunately, I was high enough and far enough away from other people to be able to do this. After freeing the toggle, I was able to fly a normal landing. But, I could see this being a much bigger problem if it happened on final/flare. I guess what made it scary is that the toggle got stuck following a few turns (way after the initial control check). Has anyone ever had something similar happen to them? What did you do? Searching around brought up a number of slider-related stuck toggle problems, but this is was not the case for me. Steve How is your toggle attached?"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skywombat 0 #3 December 13, 2010 What do you mean? I think the brake line is just threaded into it and back over. I'm not sure how to explain it clearly, but it seems like there is nothing unusual about it (compared to the other equipment I've seen/jumped here)... I can post a photo if it would help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #4 December 13, 2010 Here's one that didn't come out from a hard opening. Actually it was in more than half way and 3 of us took turns to get it out. Had to fly and land it with rear risers, a bit tricky on landing since the other brake was out.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #5 December 13, 2010 That had to be fun! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voilsb 1 #6 December 13, 2010 Between the original post and the picture of the jammed toggle, this has me wondering ... When I was a student learning how to stow my brakes I asked if you were supposed put the toggle in the guide ring, and I've heard other new jumpers at multiple dropzones ask similar. Seems to me a simple way to prevent both these would be to buiild risers with a smaller ring and/or build toggles with a bigger stiff tip, both of which would prevent the toggles going into the guide ring both intentionally and accidentally.Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #7 December 14, 2010 Quote That had to be fun! Actually the worst part was the 2 cracked ribs, bruised lung, torn muscle and the whiplash.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
