freeflir29 0 #51 January 25, 2004 QuoteYou could just as easily say, Bush (41) and Desert Storm. Or the Brits!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #52 January 25, 2004 Unfair???!!! Let's get off of the Bush bashing if we are going to agree that some one before GWB had done the job properly we wouldn't be in Iraq. I think that it is ridiculous to expect that we are going to come out of this smelling like roses. The job at hand was to remove Saddam Hussein from power, that was done. That HAS made the world a safer place. My question for you is did any of you believe that there werent WMD here in Iraq before we invaded? I would like to point out, that WMD was the reason that we were able to go into Iraq. The reason for removing Saddam was for national security. If that makes any sense. We had a big reason to be here, and WMD opened the door. Just like in the US we have to have some type of reason to have a judge issue a search warrant, or arrest warrant. Obviously the people that we elected (congress and the pres) thought that there was enough evidence to issue the "search warrant"....We didn't find any, but did we have a good reason to look? Another thing is that the pres wasn't acting alone. There are 100 senators and ??? in the house. That means that through our use of democratic methodology, the majority of these elected reps said to go into Iraq. Think about that when you try to place blame. If I am correct, the majority of the US elected the reps, and the reps used their authority to make decisions. That means that the reps had the impression that the majority of US citizens wanted to invade Iraq for the purpose of national security. Correct me if I am wrong.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunBobby 0 #53 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuote If Clinton had finished Saddam off during Desert Fox instead of pussying out. We wouldn't be there now. Dude . . . unfair! You could just as easily say, Bush (41) and Desert Storm. Ummm, no. The objective of Operation Desert Storm was to remove SH's invading forces from Kuwait. Once that goal was reached, we were obliged to cease that operation. Bobby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunBobby 0 #54 January 25, 2004 Thank you. And for all those who are quick to jump on the President bashing bandwagon, I'd like to point out that members of Congress, one them a particularly high profile member of the Senate, urged the current administration to take action.... Quote WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration must target Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in its war against terrorism, Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Monday. It was one of a series of steps he said are needed to undermine a "theological iron curtain" being put up in the Muslim world by fanatics. Here's the link, by the way. Bobby (Edited for a stupid typo) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #55 January 25, 2004 Quote Let's get off of the Bush bashing if we are going to agree that some one before GWB had done the job properly we wouldn't be in Iraq. Kinda being selective there aren't you if you want to say Clinton is responsible for Saddam and ignore Bush (41) and his failure to remove him from power during Desert Storm (the first gulf war). You asked, "did any of you believe that there werent WMD here in Iraq before we invaded?" and I will reply, yes. My own look at publicly available satellite imagery certainly seemed to indicate something was going on. I could see specific construction at specific sites and attempts to cover up those sites from the satellites. For example, large construction sites next to palaces only to be later covered over by man made lakes. Is that enough to think the U.S. is in danger of imminent attack? Probably not, just an indication something is happening. We see this same sort of thing going on in other places in the world -- North Korea for instance and its nuke plants. Does this mean we launch a pre-emptive strike? In some cases yes, but usually not. Hey, believe me, there's probably few out there that wouldn't have wanted to see the goods. It's just that to date, we haven't, so, there's no proof that what we did was what we said we were going to do before we went in there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #56 January 25, 2004 QuoteThat is also the same number of GI's that died in the first 4 years of the Viet Nam war. This is extremely bad logic. The first 4 years of the Vietnam war were 1955-1958 when only MAAG advisors were in country. I don't know the exact number, but it was probably 10,000 or less. When I was there, we were losing 500 GIs a month out of a force totalling approximately 500,000. Think about it: 58,000 lost in 10 years. I think that works out to about 480 average per month. Although I abhor the loss of even one of our soldiers, 500 killed in one year pales to the horror of 500 killed per month. Do your homework before you post. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #57 January 25, 2004 To Lieberman's credit, he still stands by that position. Agree or disagree, it's refreshing to see a politician who is willing to stand by his convictions, instead of flip-flopping for political gain. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #58 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuote Let's get off of the Bush bashing if we are going to agree that some one before GWB had done the job properly we wouldn't be in Iraq.*** Kinda being selective there aren't you if you want to say Clinton is responsible for Saddam and ignore Bush (41) and his failure to remove him from power during Desert Storm (the first gulf war). A quick read of U.N. resolutions 660-667 will give you the obvious answer to this. I'm sure one of the reasons GWB wasn't too interested in getting the UN involved was precisely because of Gulf War 1. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freefallfreak 0 #59 January 25, 2004 Quotei'm not in the service so i honestly don't know how they feel. but to me a solder who is injured in war for his country should get a huge fukin disability check and live like a king. do they ? someone who knows about this let me know. QuoteWell...as far as taking care of those that are wounded. I would say yes. If the individual does what he needs to and jumps through all the hoops that are set up with the VA they are often WELL taken care of. Ok, I'm not qualified to say what someone else would feel or think or do..however, I am qualified to answer this question. I am a 100% service-connected disabled veteran. Yes, I do get a very generous disabilty check from the VA and also from social security services, so monetarily, I'm set for life. Benefits are unbelievable - free medical, dental, optometry, etc. for life. No income taxes, property taxes, free registration/handicap tags for vehicles for life, etc. But as Clay said, I had to fill out all the paper work and jump through the hoops to get it all. So, the answer to your question is a resounding "Yes, we are treated very well". Now...the quality of life isn't something that a normal person would want. I live - and have done so every day of my life since my time in the service - with pain in some way, shape or form. There are times that I am in fine form and others that I would have given the rest of my life on earth for just one year of good health. It's a push/pull situation and yes, I knew what I was getting into when I volunteered for the Service so it's not like it took me by suprise. Would I do it again? I have to place a resounding YES here. I regret nothing I have done and have enjoyed each minute of life, no matter what it brought. I believe in peace, and also believe that in order to have peace, there must be war. I, if asked, would not hesitate, to take my place among the warriors of today, knowing the pain/outcome, and not regret it one iota... Respectfully, FFF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jkm2500 0 #60 January 25, 2004 Kinda being selective there aren't you if you want to say Clinton is responsible for Saddam and ignore Bush (41) and his failure to remove him from power during Desert Storm (the first gulf war).Quote That is why I said "some one". I think that we should have taken him out during Desert Storm. Unfortunatley we couldnt due to the restrictions by the UN. Our only mission over there was to remove Iraq's occupying force from Kuwait. The same Argument can be used for the Clinton administration. They didnt have the international backing therefore they never made a big deal about it. I think that Desert Fox was another good opportunity that was passed up. (We can start another thread to discuss the politics behind the Clinton administration, and the GHWB administration). You said that you believed that there was WMD in Iraq. Belief is enough reasoning to forcibly enter a citizen's home in the US with a search warrant. The police have to show enough evidence to a judge for him to believe that they need to enter the home. I think that logic is fair in this situation as well. THere was enough evidence to say that there was a large amount of WMD's. Therefore there was enough evidence to forcibly come in and look for those WMD. The imminent attack danger is always there. It doesnt matter what country that we invade, what foriegn policy we assume. There will always be fanatics out there that are foes to liberty. We have the ability, and IMO the right to defend ourselves against these fanatics, don't you? Another thing that I would like to point out is that we arent fighting a "respectabe" enemy like we did during WWI, WWII...etc. The people that we are fighting will do anything for their cause to include give up their lives. We, the Americans dont share that view. Some give their lives, but that is not the intent. When that intent is out there, there is no safe area anywhere in the world. Because the enemy is more motivated, dedicated, and willing. They will go to any extreme means to follow through with their intentions. We have seen it time and time again over here. Just like yesterday with the car bombing in Samarra. (I know the 3 service men who were wounded in that blast) We can say that by doing nothing that the world is a safer place, or that the USA is a safer place. We can implement all of the defense techniques that we can back in the states, but it will not help. The best thing that we can do is bring the fight to our enemy, and root them out from the very holes that they hide in. They are not worthy of diplomacy. They would not give us the same respect. They are vermin, and they will kill any who they need to accomplish their mission. Do you have to dedication to the cause to fly a plane into a building and kill thousands of innocents? These people do, and they should be dealt with. IMO opinion we shouldn't just stop with Iraq. There are more terrorists out there. BTW, I know for a fact that AL Quaida is operating cells out of Iraq. Doesnt that qualify as harboring terrorists?The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #61 January 25, 2004 would the 500th idiot who can't tell his head from his asshole please die so our country could progress."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #62 January 25, 2004 Quote You said that you believed that there was WMD in Iraq. Belief is enough reasoning to forcibly enter a citizen's home in the US with a search warrant. The police have to show enough evidence to a judge for him to believe that they need to enter the home. I think that logic is fair in this situation as well. THere was enough evidence to say that there was a large amount of WMD's. Therefore there was enough evidence to forcibly come in and look for those WMD. No. There are a couple of issues here, but let's first start with the concept of the United States as the world's police force. It's not. However, if it were then the UN is the Judge that issues the search warrant. They did. They searched and didn't find anything. That then makes U.S. the rouge cop that then decided to bust in after the fact. We still didn't find anything (yet). Further, countries -are- allowed to create whatever defenses they deem fit. I mean, -WE- do it. So, if the justification for waltzing into Iraq is that they simply were working on, hell, even a nuke program, then why didn't we invade Pakistan or North Korea (admittedly I have to add -- yet)? Quote Another thing that I would like to point out is that we arent fighting a "respectabe" enemy like we did during WWI, WWII...etc. The people that we are fighting will do anything for their cause to include give up their lives. Are you aware it's attitudes like that, that make them hate us? For the most part, the people of Iraq are basically the same as we are. They want to be left alone and not have another country tell them how to run their lives. The people that we call terrorists, some of their people call heros. They are not doing anything that we wouldn't do in exactly the same circumstance. Imagine if Russia decided to occupy a part of the United States because they didn't like our weapons of mass distruction programs (which, by the way, we have a LOT of). What would you do to resist? Would you blow some of them up? I would. Would you think about being a suicide bomber or suicide pilot if your technology was not as sophisticated as your enemy's? This is not the first culture to have done so. I believe we even toyed around a bit with suicide pilots as a counter-measure for a short time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2222205.stm None of this is simple.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #63 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). Jim They vote democrat anyway. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #64 January 25, 2004 QuoteMichele -- There is a college fraternity at Yale called Skull and Bones. Bush (41) was a member and Bush (43) was also admitted as a legacy pledge (someone guaranteed admittance due to his familial relations to a previous member). Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #65 January 25, 2004 Quote Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? John Kerry, yes. There would have been no way for Bill Clinton to have been a member. More Skull and Bones stuff -- with John Kerry this time. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #66 January 25, 2004 QuoteI will say this about those brave men and women who died for our country in Iraq. Regardless of their political interests, ALL of them would gladly give their lives again for their country. As a fellow serviceman I truly appreciate and respect EVERYONE regardless of branch of those who fight for their country. Goodspeed to all the heros who passed away fighting for their country. I agree 100% with you. I love my country and apreciate all the servicemen and women who fight ,and have fought for this country!!! I would fight ,and die for this country if I felt the cause was just. I however do not believe the decisions that our government has made concerning Iraq ,and OUR countrys safety ,enonomy,and general well being have been the right decisions."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #67 January 25, 2004 QuoteOh, and approximately 58,000 US troops died in Vietnam. That comparison you made is pretty useless. It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end?"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #68 January 25, 2004 Quote It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end? IT will not end in my lifetime. This will go on for many years to come. Until people learn to live in peace and treat other human beings as human beings.....we will have war... until all people tire of the hate there will be death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #69 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). However, they might kick your ass for trolling in the forums. - Jim Classy posting. Much easier than thinking of a good argument, to what I fell strongly about huh? I'm not trolling shit! I feel very strongly about the lives of my countrymen and our allies and at least I've got the balls to say what I feel."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #70 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteI read in the newspaper that the 500th GI involved in the Iraq conflict had died. That is also the same number of GI's that died in the first 4 years of the Viet Nam war. (500) Good job dickhead. You are totally wrong. How dare you question the dedication to their Commander in Chief of dead servicemen. NOT ONCE HAVE I QUESTIONED THE COMMITMENT OF OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN! THEY HAVE PROVEN THEIR DEDICATION! MABY YOU SHOULD QUESTION THE MODIVATION OF OUR PRESIDENT. I spit on you. The boys cheered GW at thanksgiving. Hillary got snubbed. That was after 400+ men had been killed in service of their country. They were all friends and brothers in arms and yet they still cheered for the President after those deaths. You stats are stupid. Do you have any idea how many "advisors" were in SEA in the first four years, compared to the first year in Iraq? Obviously not. Go away troll."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #71 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuote"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" A very true statement. There is no excuse for such a tasteless post. Only to make people THINK."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #72 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteLet's remember that questioning the Commander in Chief is a perogative of any citizen of a democracy. Quote You are most certainly correct, and in my haste to type the response I meant to say this:If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning their commitment to the commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. Sorry for the incorrect wording. I didn't intend to imply that they were/would not be commited to their commander in chief. I'm almost positive they would maintain their commitment. I wonder then how their families will vote."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #73 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. Well, now we think you're an ass. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, now we think your an ass. FallRate Gee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? And Burbleflyer.. this looks like one as well QuoteGood job dickhead. The rules of the Dropzone Forums are pretty simple. There's not many of them, but they'll be enforced. The rules are: 1) No personal attacks. None. 2) No jokes or references to paedophilia. None. 3) No advertising 4) Stick to the topics in the topical forums Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #75 January 25, 2004 QuoteGee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? Not a personal attack. I didn't say he is an ass...that would be rude. I said we think he's an ass. He wanted us to think, so I'm sure he's satisfied with the result. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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freefallfreak 0 #59 January 25, 2004 Quotei'm not in the service so i honestly don't know how they feel. but to me a solder who is injured in war for his country should get a huge fukin disability check and live like a king. do they ? someone who knows about this let me know. QuoteWell...as far as taking care of those that are wounded. I would say yes. If the individual does what he needs to and jumps through all the hoops that are set up with the VA they are often WELL taken care of. Ok, I'm not qualified to say what someone else would feel or think or do..however, I am qualified to answer this question. I am a 100% service-connected disabled veteran. Yes, I do get a very generous disabilty check from the VA and also from social security services, so monetarily, I'm set for life. Benefits are unbelievable - free medical, dental, optometry, etc. for life. No income taxes, property taxes, free registration/handicap tags for vehicles for life, etc. But as Clay said, I had to fill out all the paper work and jump through the hoops to get it all. So, the answer to your question is a resounding "Yes, we are treated very well". Now...the quality of life isn't something that a normal person would want. I live - and have done so every day of my life since my time in the service - with pain in some way, shape or form. There are times that I am in fine form and others that I would have given the rest of my life on earth for just one year of good health. It's a push/pull situation and yes, I knew what I was getting into when I volunteered for the Service so it's not like it took me by suprise. Would I do it again? I have to place a resounding YES here. I regret nothing I have done and have enjoyed each minute of life, no matter what it brought. I believe in peace, and also believe that in order to have peace, there must be war. I, if asked, would not hesitate, to take my place among the warriors of today, knowing the pain/outcome, and not regret it one iota... Respectfully, FFF "Upon seeing the shadow of a pigeon, one must resist the urge to look up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #60 January 25, 2004 Kinda being selective there aren't you if you want to say Clinton is responsible for Saddam and ignore Bush (41) and his failure to remove him from power during Desert Storm (the first gulf war).Quote That is why I said "some one". I think that we should have taken him out during Desert Storm. Unfortunatley we couldnt due to the restrictions by the UN. Our only mission over there was to remove Iraq's occupying force from Kuwait. The same Argument can be used for the Clinton administration. They didnt have the international backing therefore they never made a big deal about it. I think that Desert Fox was another good opportunity that was passed up. (We can start another thread to discuss the politics behind the Clinton administration, and the GHWB administration). You said that you believed that there was WMD in Iraq. Belief is enough reasoning to forcibly enter a citizen's home in the US with a search warrant. The police have to show enough evidence to a judge for him to believe that they need to enter the home. I think that logic is fair in this situation as well. THere was enough evidence to say that there was a large amount of WMD's. Therefore there was enough evidence to forcibly come in and look for those WMD. The imminent attack danger is always there. It doesnt matter what country that we invade, what foriegn policy we assume. There will always be fanatics out there that are foes to liberty. We have the ability, and IMO the right to defend ourselves against these fanatics, don't you? Another thing that I would like to point out is that we arent fighting a "respectabe" enemy like we did during WWI, WWII...etc. The people that we are fighting will do anything for their cause to include give up their lives. We, the Americans dont share that view. Some give their lives, but that is not the intent. When that intent is out there, there is no safe area anywhere in the world. Because the enemy is more motivated, dedicated, and willing. They will go to any extreme means to follow through with their intentions. We have seen it time and time again over here. Just like yesterday with the car bombing in Samarra. (I know the 3 service men who were wounded in that blast) We can say that by doing nothing that the world is a safer place, or that the USA is a safer place. We can implement all of the defense techniques that we can back in the states, but it will not help. The best thing that we can do is bring the fight to our enemy, and root them out from the very holes that they hide in. They are not worthy of diplomacy. They would not give us the same respect. They are vermin, and they will kill any who they need to accomplish their mission. Do you have to dedication to the cause to fly a plane into a building and kill thousands of innocents? These people do, and they should be dealt with. IMO opinion we shouldn't just stop with Iraq. There are more terrorists out there. BTW, I know for a fact that AL Quaida is operating cells out of Iraq. Doesnt that qualify as harboring terrorists?The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tcnelson 1 #61 January 25, 2004 would the 500th idiot who can't tell his head from his asshole please die so our country could progress."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #62 January 25, 2004 Quote You said that you believed that there was WMD in Iraq. Belief is enough reasoning to forcibly enter a citizen's home in the US with a search warrant. The police have to show enough evidence to a judge for him to believe that they need to enter the home. I think that logic is fair in this situation as well. THere was enough evidence to say that there was a large amount of WMD's. Therefore there was enough evidence to forcibly come in and look for those WMD. No. There are a couple of issues here, but let's first start with the concept of the United States as the world's police force. It's not. However, if it were then the UN is the Judge that issues the search warrant. They did. They searched and didn't find anything. That then makes U.S. the rouge cop that then decided to bust in after the fact. We still didn't find anything (yet). Further, countries -are- allowed to create whatever defenses they deem fit. I mean, -WE- do it. So, if the justification for waltzing into Iraq is that they simply were working on, hell, even a nuke program, then why didn't we invade Pakistan or North Korea (admittedly I have to add -- yet)? Quote Another thing that I would like to point out is that we arent fighting a "respectabe" enemy like we did during WWI, WWII...etc. The people that we are fighting will do anything for their cause to include give up their lives. Are you aware it's attitudes like that, that make them hate us? For the most part, the people of Iraq are basically the same as we are. They want to be left alone and not have another country tell them how to run their lives. The people that we call terrorists, some of their people call heros. They are not doing anything that we wouldn't do in exactly the same circumstance. Imagine if Russia decided to occupy a part of the United States because they didn't like our weapons of mass distruction programs (which, by the way, we have a LOT of). What would you do to resist? Would you blow some of them up? I would. Would you think about being a suicide bomber or suicide pilot if your technology was not as sophisticated as your enemy's? This is not the first culture to have done so. I believe we even toyed around a bit with suicide pilots as a counter-measure for a short time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2222205.stm None of this is simple.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #63 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). Jim They vote democrat anyway. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiverRick 0 #64 January 25, 2004 QuoteMichele -- There is a college fraternity at Yale called Skull and Bones. Bush (41) was a member and Bush (43) was also admitted as a legacy pledge (someone guaranteed admittance due to his familial relations to a previous member). Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #65 January 25, 2004 Quote Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? John Kerry, yes. There would have been no way for Bill Clinton to have been a member. More Skull and Bones stuff -- with John Kerry this time. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #66 January 25, 2004 QuoteI will say this about those brave men and women who died for our country in Iraq. Regardless of their political interests, ALL of them would gladly give their lives again for their country. As a fellow serviceman I truly appreciate and respect EVERYONE regardless of branch of those who fight for their country. Goodspeed to all the heros who passed away fighting for their country. I agree 100% with you. I love my country and apreciate all the servicemen and women who fight ,and have fought for this country!!! I would fight ,and die for this country if I felt the cause was just. I however do not believe the decisions that our government has made concerning Iraq ,and OUR countrys safety ,enonomy,and general well being have been the right decisions."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #67 January 25, 2004 QuoteOh, and approximately 58,000 US troops died in Vietnam. That comparison you made is pretty useless. It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end?"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #68 January 25, 2004 Quote It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end? IT will not end in my lifetime. This will go on for many years to come. Until people learn to live in peace and treat other human beings as human beings.....we will have war... until all people tire of the hate there will be death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #69 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). However, they might kick your ass for trolling in the forums. - Jim Classy posting. Much easier than thinking of a good argument, to what I fell strongly about huh? I'm not trolling shit! I feel very strongly about the lives of my countrymen and our allies and at least I've got the balls to say what I feel."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #70 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteI read in the newspaper that the 500th GI involved in the Iraq conflict had died. That is also the same number of GI's that died in the first 4 years of the Viet Nam war. (500) Good job dickhead. You are totally wrong. How dare you question the dedication to their Commander in Chief of dead servicemen. NOT ONCE HAVE I QUESTIONED THE COMMITMENT OF OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN! THEY HAVE PROVEN THEIR DEDICATION! MABY YOU SHOULD QUESTION THE MODIVATION OF OUR PRESIDENT. I spit on you. The boys cheered GW at thanksgiving. Hillary got snubbed. That was after 400+ men had been killed in service of their country. They were all friends and brothers in arms and yet they still cheered for the President after those deaths. You stats are stupid. Do you have any idea how many "advisors" were in SEA in the first four years, compared to the first year in Iraq? Obviously not. Go away troll."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #71 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuote"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" A very true statement. There is no excuse for such a tasteless post. Only to make people THINK."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FIREFLYR 0 #72 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteLet's remember that questioning the Commander in Chief is a perogative of any citizen of a democracy. Quote You are most certainly correct, and in my haste to type the response I meant to say this:If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning their commitment to the commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. Sorry for the incorrect wording. I didn't intend to imply that they were/would not be commited to their commander in chief. I'm almost positive they would maintain their commitment. I wonder then how their families will vote."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #73 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. Well, now we think you're an ass. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, now we think your an ass. FallRate Gee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? And Burbleflyer.. this looks like one as well QuoteGood job dickhead. The rules of the Dropzone Forums are pretty simple. There's not many of them, but they'll be enforced. The rules are: 1) No personal attacks. None. 2) No jokes or references to paedophilia. None. 3) No advertising 4) Stick to the topics in the topical forums Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #75 January 25, 2004 QuoteGee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? Not a personal attack. I didn't say he is an ass...that would be rude. I said we think he's an ass. He wanted us to think, so I'm sure he's satisfied with the result. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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tcnelson 1 #61 January 25, 2004 would the 500th idiot who can't tell his head from his asshole please die so our country could progress."Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #62 January 25, 2004 Quote You said that you believed that there was WMD in Iraq. Belief is enough reasoning to forcibly enter a citizen's home in the US with a search warrant. The police have to show enough evidence to a judge for him to believe that they need to enter the home. I think that logic is fair in this situation as well. THere was enough evidence to say that there was a large amount of WMD's. Therefore there was enough evidence to forcibly come in and look for those WMD. No. There are a couple of issues here, but let's first start with the concept of the United States as the world's police force. It's not. However, if it were then the UN is the Judge that issues the search warrant. They did. They searched and didn't find anything. That then makes U.S. the rouge cop that then decided to bust in after the fact. We still didn't find anything (yet). Further, countries -are- allowed to create whatever defenses they deem fit. I mean, -WE- do it. So, if the justification for waltzing into Iraq is that they simply were working on, hell, even a nuke program, then why didn't we invade Pakistan or North Korea (admittedly I have to add -- yet)? Quote Another thing that I would like to point out is that we arent fighting a "respectabe" enemy like we did during WWI, WWII...etc. The people that we are fighting will do anything for their cause to include give up their lives. Are you aware it's attitudes like that, that make them hate us? For the most part, the people of Iraq are basically the same as we are. They want to be left alone and not have another country tell them how to run their lives. The people that we call terrorists, some of their people call heros. They are not doing anything that we wouldn't do in exactly the same circumstance. Imagine if Russia decided to occupy a part of the United States because they didn't like our weapons of mass distruction programs (which, by the way, we have a LOT of). What would you do to resist? Would you blow some of them up? I would. Would you think about being a suicide bomber or suicide pilot if your technology was not as sophisticated as your enemy's? This is not the first culture to have done so. I believe we even toyed around a bit with suicide pilots as a counter-measure for a short time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2222205.stm None of this is simple.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #63 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). Jim They vote democrat anyway. never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiverRick 0 #64 January 25, 2004 QuoteMichele -- There is a college fraternity at Yale called Skull and Bones. Bush (41) was a member and Bush (43) was also admitted as a legacy pledge (someone guaranteed admittance due to his familial relations to a previous member). Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? never pull low......unless you are Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #65 January 25, 2004 Quote Aren't Clinton and Kerry both members? John Kerry, yes. There would have been no way for Bill Clinton to have been a member. More Skull and Bones stuff -- with John Kerry this time. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #66 January 25, 2004 QuoteI will say this about those brave men and women who died for our country in Iraq. Regardless of their political interests, ALL of them would gladly give their lives again for their country. As a fellow serviceman I truly appreciate and respect EVERYONE regardless of branch of those who fight for their country. Goodspeed to all the heros who passed away fighting for their country. I agree 100% with you. I love my country and apreciate all the servicemen and women who fight ,and have fought for this country!!! I would fight ,and die for this country if I felt the cause was just. I however do not believe the decisions that our government has made concerning Iraq ,and OUR countrys safety ,enonomy,and general well being have been the right decisions."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #67 January 25, 2004 QuoteOh, and approximately 58,000 US troops died in Vietnam. That comparison you made is pretty useless. It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end?"One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #68 January 25, 2004 Quote It has only been what, 2 years? Where will this end? IT will not end in my lifetime. This will go on for many years to come. Until people learn to live in peace and treat other human beings as human beings.....we will have war... until all people tire of the hate there will be death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #69 January 25, 2004 Quote No, probably not, since dead folk can't vote (except in Chicago). However, they might kick your ass for trolling in the forums. - Jim Classy posting. Much easier than thinking of a good argument, to what I fell strongly about huh? I'm not trolling shit! I feel very strongly about the lives of my countrymen and our allies and at least I've got the balls to say what I feel."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #70 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteI read in the newspaper that the 500th GI involved in the Iraq conflict had died. That is also the same number of GI's that died in the first 4 years of the Viet Nam war. (500) Good job dickhead. You are totally wrong. How dare you question the dedication to their Commander in Chief of dead servicemen. NOT ONCE HAVE I QUESTIONED THE COMMITMENT OF OUR SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN! THEY HAVE PROVEN THEIR DEDICATION! MABY YOU SHOULD QUESTION THE MODIVATION OF OUR PRESIDENT. I spit on you. The boys cheered GW at thanksgiving. Hillary got snubbed. That was after 400+ men had been killed in service of their country. They were all friends and brothers in arms and yet they still cheered for the President after those deaths. You stats are stupid. Do you have any idea how many "advisors" were in SEA in the first four years, compared to the first year in Iraq? Obviously not. Go away troll."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #71 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuote"There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" A very true statement. There is no excuse for such a tasteless post. Only to make people THINK."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FIREFLYR 0 #72 January 25, 2004 QuoteQuoteLet's remember that questioning the Commander in Chief is a perogative of any citizen of a democracy. Quote You are most certainly correct, and in my haste to type the response I meant to say this:If you feel that you can forsake their sacrafice for their country by questioning their commitment to the commander in chief you are a sad individual indeed. Sorry for the incorrect wording. I didn't intend to imply that they were/would not be commited to their commander in chief. I'm almost positive they would maintain their commitment. I wonder then how their families will vote."One flew East,and one flew West..............one flew over the cuckoo's nest" "There's absolutely no excuse for the way I'm about to act" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #73 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. Well, now we think you're an ass. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #74 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, now we think your an ass. FallRate Gee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? And Burbleflyer.. this looks like one as well QuoteGood job dickhead. The rules of the Dropzone Forums are pretty simple. There's not many of them, but they'll be enforced. The rules are: 1) No personal attacks. None. 2) No jokes or references to paedophilia. None. 3) No advertising 4) Stick to the topics in the topical forums Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #75 January 25, 2004 QuoteGee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? Not a personal attack. I didn't say he is an ass...that would be rude. I said we think he's an ass. He wanted us to think, so I'm sure he's satisfied with the result. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
FallRate 0 #73 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. Well, now we think you're an ass. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #74 January 25, 2004 QuoteOnly to make people THINK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, now we think your an ass. FallRate Gee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? And Burbleflyer.. this looks like one as well QuoteGood job dickhead. The rules of the Dropzone Forums are pretty simple. There's not many of them, but they'll be enforced. The rules are: 1) No personal attacks. None. 2) No jokes or references to paedophilia. None. 3) No advertising 4) Stick to the topics in the topical forums Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #75 January 25, 2004 QuoteGee I got banned for a Personal Attack... Wonder if you do? Not a personal attack. I didn't say he is an ass...that would be rude. I said we think he's an ass. He wanted us to think, so I'm sure he's satisfied with the result. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
