PhreeZone 20 #26 January 23, 2004 The risers are "Black and Blue" or was that "Blue Skies, Black Death" on the sides they werre to be attached? Gear is replaceable, friends are not.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRock 0 #27 January 23, 2004 Well obviously we would not want anyone to bounce..... And if that crossed their mind then they don't value their life much... I sure as hell think mine is worth at least two or three canopies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #28 January 23, 2004 QuoteIf I use a packer at the DZ and I have a mal....are they financially responsible? (even in part?) Nope. Guess what? Malfunctions on profesional packers packjobs are 99% never their fault. Really.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #29 January 23, 2004 Exactly JP - want a guarantee that you won't have a mal? Then don't jump._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #30 January 23, 2004 "Neither a borrower nor a lender be", Polonius, in Hamlet (W. Shakespeare) (Obviously he'd never heard of the National Debt, $7.013Trillion and rising.)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 January 23, 2004 Yep. I never did like the 50 cent surcharge "Packing Cathy" had. It was a disservice to other packers.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #32 January 23, 2004 Quote1) I wouldn't want to lose a friend because I made them pay for my canopy. I don't need friends that wouldn't offer. Quote2) I wouldn't approach said friend, I would expect friend to come to me with a 'payment' plan I would give them time to find it, but if they don't make the offer, I'd ask. Quote3) I sure as hell wouldn't want friend to think 'Oh, shit, if I chop this I gotta buy it. I wonder if I can land this line over' and go in. Why would they think any differently than if they were using their own gear that they have to pay for? QuoteNothing is assumed, set the guidelines before you loan your gear. That's the best idea. Say, "Here you go, if you chop it and lose it, you buy it. Ok?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JRock 0 #33 January 23, 2004 exactamundo...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #34 January 23, 2004 >Why would they think any differently than if they were using their own gear that they have to pay for? Quincy '01 a guy went in because he was'nt willing to toss a freefly tube that he had borrowed. Its happened before. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcrocker 0 #35 January 23, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf I use a packer at the DZ and I have a mal....are they financially responsible? (even in part?) not even in the least. you take FULL responsibility when you get a pack job...period. blues, arlo then why should the person who loaned the rig to her friend be in any way financially responsible if there is a mal? I know I'd feel bad...but that shouldn't make me financially responsible. (like the tire analogy...if I loan my car to someone and it gets a flat and they wreck it..it should still be up to them to fix my car) It depends, If the flat was because the tires were crap then it isn't their fault. If the accident was because the brakes failed because they haven't been replaced in 200k miles it isn't their fault. If you borrow something you should return it in the same or better condition, that is the way I was raised. If I borrow a rig, I either trust the existing pack job or I repack it before the jump. Either way I'm responsible for the result good or bad The only time I borrowed a rig I had a horseshoe (canopy/lines wrapped around my foot). I chopped, landed the reserve with main still tangled in D-Bag on my foot. I lost the freebag, and handles. I felt REALLY bad about it, I paid for the freebag, new handles, new reserve repack, main inspection (incase any lines were damaged) and about $100 extra for the inconvience of being without a rig for a week while the handles/freebag were ordered. I still feel like shit about it. If I lost her main I would have bought her a new one (of her choice) even if I had to sell my gear to finance it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #36 January 23, 2004 Quotethen why should the person who loaned the rig to her friend be in any way financially responsible if there is a mal? I know I'd feel bad...but that shouldn't make me financially responsible. (like the tire analogy...if I loan my car to someone and it gets a flat and they wreck it..it should still be up to them to fix my car) because it is understood that if you borrow someone's gear and you screw it up (i.e., chop, asslanding on the runway scraping the rig, anything), it's on you to fix/replace it. the most important reason is because it's the right thing to do. that seems pretty obvious to me...maybe it's not so with some people. arlo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 January 23, 2004 Right on. I wouldn't borrow gear from a friend OR a gear store that I couldn't afford to replace if I chopped. I'd have to charge it, but I could do it. You don't want to be up there thinking "I can't chop because I can't afford the repack or if I lose the canopy or freebag..." You should not put yourself in a situation where finances help you make a life or death decision. If you can't afford to replace it, don't jump it. If you do lose it, you'd better replace it. I've had TWO friends borrow my car and crash it. My reaction: "Are you ok?" when the answer was "yes" my next question was "is my car ok?" When the answer was "no" I didn't even have to ask them to get it repaired. They simply asked the name of the shop I would like it towed to (Solesbee Automotive in Yorba Linda, please) and said they would cover the bill. AND they even covered a rental car for me during the few days my car was out of commission... all without me even having to ask . now THAT'S a friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #38 January 23, 2004 QuoteThat's the best idea. Say, "Here you go, if you chop it and lose it, you buy it. Ok?" That was said._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
selbbub78 0 #39 January 23, 2004 another chop at Z-Hills. major vibes to ya.... My friend had to cut away this past week during a CReW event (kinda my fault)... hopefully they'll find both canopies."Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #40 January 23, 2004 Quote because it is understood that if you borrow someone's gear and you screw it up (i.e., chop, asslanding on the runway scraping the rig, anything), it's on you to fix/replace it. the most important reason is because it's the right thing to do. that seems pretty obvious to me...maybe it's not so with some people. arlo You sound like you think you're disagreeing with me...and you're not. I said that the friend should be responsible. Ivan asked who lasted packed it...I said why does it matter, the person who borrowed it should still be responsible.. and now you're agreeing with me, in a disagreeing manner. I agree with you....she (friend who borrowed it and chopped it) should be responsible financially.. -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #41 January 23, 2004 QuoteThe risers are "Black and Blue" or was that "Blue Skies, Black Death" on the sides they werre to be attached? The risers really are not an issue....probably could get them cheap anyway_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites selbbub78 0 #42 January 23, 2004 actually,.... his canopy is in the swamps somewhere too... Last i heard still didn't find it, but i'm really hoping that they find it. Robert is supposedly awesome at finding stuff. Talk to him bout your canopy...."Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #43 January 23, 2004 My personal rule for borrowing equipment from people is: If I break it, I bought it. So if I would chop your main and it got lost.. Well, I guess I'll have to get you a new one. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #44 January 23, 2004 Quoteactually,.... his canopy is in the swamps somewhere too... Last i heard still didn't find it, but i'm really hoping that they find it. Robert is supposedly awesome at finding stuff. Talk to him bout your canopy.... Robert was out there today - no luck yet. Heather is headed to the DZ soon to get more info...._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites arlo 0 #45 January 23, 2004 Quoteand now you're agreeing with me, in a disagreeing manner. I agree with you....she (friend who borrowed it and chopped it) should be responsible financially.. you are absolutely correct! can i blame it on being brain dead and having a tummy ache? nevermind. i'll blame it on not reading carefully. my bad. is it 6pm yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #46 January 23, 2004 QuoteMy personal rule for borrowing equipment from people is: If I break it, I bought it. So if I would chop your main and it got lost.. Well, I guess I'll have to get you a new one. Iwan Exactly, and not only that, but here jump my shit till i can replace yours. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites elfanie 0 #47 January 23, 2004 Quote Exactly, and not only that, but here jump my shit till i can replace yours. Heh... and if you chop it....then we're even? -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #48 January 23, 2004 It's her friends job to replace it.. But if she's broke it doesn't do Heather much good.. I'd ask her to get a new credit card and buy a new canopy immediately.. You chop and lose it you buy it... I hope you find it Heather!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #49 January 23, 2004 There's only a handful of people that I'd lend things like my rig or my car to. I wouldn't want to deal with the possible pain in the ass for other people. I lent my camera to a roomate a couple years ago and gives it back to me minus the lens cap, conversation went something like this: RM: "Oh hey, here's your camera, thanks." ME: "Err, do you know what happened to the lenscap?" RM: "What lenscap?" ME: "The lenscap that was on it when I gave it to you..." RM: "Oh, I didn't notice, I'll stop by the store and get a new one." After a few weeks of reminding him I just gave up and decided it'd be easier to just never lend him anything anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Stacy 0 #50 January 23, 2004 Rober is great. When i had my cutaway, my main was in clear sight, but unreachable. It was in the closest tree to the DZ, but in McNasty's yard. We could see it, but not reach it. RObert talked to McNasty and got the main from the tree before he could scarf it up into his barn full of skydiving treasures. __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
selbbub78 0 #42 January 23, 2004 actually,.... his canopy is in the swamps somewhere too... Last i heard still didn't find it, but i'm really hoping that they find it. Robert is supposedly awesome at finding stuff. Talk to him bout your canopy...."Women fake orgasms - men fake whole relationships" – Sharon Stone "The world is my dropzone" (wise crewdog quote) "The light dims, until full darkness pierces into the world."-KDM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #43 January 23, 2004 My personal rule for borrowing equipment from people is: If I break it, I bought it. So if I would chop your main and it got lost.. Well, I guess I'll have to get you a new one. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #44 January 23, 2004 Quoteactually,.... his canopy is in the swamps somewhere too... Last i heard still didn't find it, but i'm really hoping that they find it. Robert is supposedly awesome at finding stuff. Talk to him bout your canopy.... Robert was out there today - no luck yet. Heather is headed to the DZ soon to get more info...._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #45 January 23, 2004 Quoteand now you're agreeing with me, in a disagreeing manner. I agree with you....she (friend who borrowed it and chopped it) should be responsible financially.. you are absolutely correct! can i blame it on being brain dead and having a tummy ache? nevermind. i'll blame it on not reading carefully. my bad. is it 6pm yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #46 January 23, 2004 QuoteMy personal rule for borrowing equipment from people is: If I break it, I bought it. So if I would chop your main and it got lost.. Well, I guess I'll have to get you a new one. Iwan Exactly, and not only that, but here jump my shit till i can replace yours. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #47 January 23, 2004 Quote Exactly, and not only that, but here jump my shit till i can replace yours. Heh... and if you chop it....then we're even? -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #48 January 23, 2004 It's her friends job to replace it.. But if she's broke it doesn't do Heather much good.. I'd ask her to get a new credit card and buy a new canopy immediately.. You chop and lose it you buy it... I hope you find it Heather!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #49 January 23, 2004 There's only a handful of people that I'd lend things like my rig or my car to. I wouldn't want to deal with the possible pain in the ass for other people. I lent my camera to a roomate a couple years ago and gives it back to me minus the lens cap, conversation went something like this: RM: "Oh hey, here's your camera, thanks." ME: "Err, do you know what happened to the lenscap?" RM: "What lenscap?" ME: "The lenscap that was on it when I gave it to you..." RM: "Oh, I didn't notice, I'll stop by the store and get a new one." After a few weeks of reminding him I just gave up and decided it'd be easier to just never lend him anything anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #50 January 23, 2004 Rober is great. When i had my cutaway, my main was in clear sight, but unreachable. It was in the closest tree to the DZ, but in McNasty's yard. We could see it, but not reach it. RObert talked to McNasty and got the main from the tree before he could scarf it up into his barn full of skydiving treasures. __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
