goose491 0 #26 January 23, 2004 I agree wholeheartedly Kel, 'cept I can't bring myself to beleive the "I didn't know..." possibility. Damn straight he knew. Total crap, if he did it to make a point... well, it's a damn good point! A valid point! A point that should be heard, not ignored. Schools these days, what are they thinking??!? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #27 January 23, 2004 QuoteAs far as revers racism....there is no such thing, i is racism plain and simple. I know we won't see Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson coming to the aid of this African American (although they claim to support all African Americans). YEA< AND WHERE ARE THEY??!! We need to hire them to defend this kid, sue the school system, fire the school board and retire the kid in multi million dollar comfort.skydiveTaylorville.org freefallbeth@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #28 January 23, 2004 It also depends... did he get in trouble for applying for the award, or for papering the school with fliers? I'd have gotten suspended in high school if I'd put fliers up everywhere without admin approval, that was the rule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallingILweenie 0 #29 January 23, 2004 well it's incorrect cuz unless the kid is a citizen he's not american, but other than that he fits the letter of the law... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #30 January 23, 2004 Don't worry, the ACLU will sue and sort this out right away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #31 January 23, 2004 if the ACLU sues, it would be on the behalf of the kid, which will probably be the right thing to do, as awards like that don't belong in schools to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #32 January 23, 2004 It would be the right thing to do, but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #33 January 23, 2004 They probably wouldn't care if it was a black guy from somewhere in the Caribbean. But a white African-American? The nerve. Once again, political correctness goes awry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #34 January 23, 2004 "Don't you know by now? You can say or do anything you want to White Anglo-Saxon Males and it is NOT discrimination. In fact in many areas (such as this article proves) it is encouraged. " Dude, you left out Jews. It's perfectly acceptable to trash them too, in fact it seems to be quite in vogue in many circles these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #35 January 23, 2004 The school is probably a "State Actor" which would entail protections against government intervention. I'd love to see the ACLU take this one on. I'd love to take this on (if I could). My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #36 January 23, 2004 QuoteMy opinion: Well, first off the school should not have this award unless they have an American American award. IMO, the kid was completely in the right for running. All hell would break loose if we had a white person only award, but there seems to be quite a few black only awards. Just doesn't seem fair. Judy But, what is an american american, anyhow? Most of the black people in this country are as american as the white/other people in this country. Therefore, who would this award include/exclude? I mean, all of our roots lead elsewhere at some point, except the american indian, right? Hey, I can run... i'm part Cherokee:D lol! There are blacks here from Canada, could they run for the African-american award because they are black... even though they're from Canada? I think this boy was probably more African than many others running for that award... how long has it been since he was in Africa? How long since the other candidates were in Africa? I can't believe he was punished. This school should be ashamed of themselves, they are basically giving an award for blacks only,... with a label on it that says "African-american" but in fine print (transparent print) excludes non-coloured african americans. What bullshit! Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #37 January 23, 2004 the question is: was he punished for putting himself up for the award, or was he punished for plastering the school with fliers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites downwardspiral 0 #38 January 23, 2004 how many people here are black, african-american or both? I agree that there shouldn't have been a racial award. That is where the school went wrong. Unless of course there is an award for every race... you know, the slant award, raghead award, honkey cracker award, wetback award. I know I'm gonna get flack for this one so lighten the f&$% up. Also calling black people African-Americans was pc about 10 years ago. Now they simply like to be called black or black people. I'm betting the school didn't get that memo. The kid knew what he was doing, got what he deserved and now there is more racial shit in the news. Which is exactly what we all need right?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pammi 0 #39 January 23, 2004 QuoteSecond, personally, I hate the term "African-American" when referring to every person in the US with black skin. Its simply inaccurate. Exactly. If they meant black African-Americans, they should've said that (which seems wrong to me for reasons some of you have already stated). They tried to be PC about it and then get pissed when someone calls them on it. Ridiculous. Pammi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #40 January 23, 2004 The really sad part is that nothing is going to happen here. The school used an idiotic misnomer in an effort to be politically correct, and when they were called out on it they suspended the kid. Wouldn't want him preventing the administration from taking advantage of such an excellent opportunity to stick their heads in their asses. And "reverse racism" is a ridiculous term that, to me, suggests hatred of white people is somehow different or even wellfounded. I have tall friends, short friends, black friends, asian friends, european friends, male friends, female friends, man's best friends, whatever. As someone said, if you're cool you're cool... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybrat68 0 #41 January 23, 2004 Maybe it would be PC to call it the White-American award? Would that narrow things down enough?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites elfanie 0 #42 January 24, 2004 Quote There are blacks here from Canada, could they run for the African-american award because they are black... even though they're from Canada? I think this boy was probably more African than many others running for that award... how long has it been since he was in Africa? How long since the other candidates were in Africa? My question is...if this award is based on skin color, how dark does the skin have to be? does it have to be REALLY black? Or can a "fair-skinned 'white-looking' who had a distant relative that was black" person qualify? -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites meltdown 0 #43 January 24, 2004 Maybe. Who wants to narrow it down? How 'bout just the "American" award? Then nobodys excluded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FrogNog 1 #44 January 24, 2004 The school should issue a mea culpa for the vague definition and change the name of the award to "Black American" or "Negroid American" award. Clicky - it's in the dictionary. If they want to restrict the award to certain people, fine by me. But truth in advertising - if the award is for people whose ancestors are, based on skin color, bone structure, or DNA (mitochondrial or otherwise) from a specific ethnic group, name the ethnic group unambiguously. I would also accept "African-American (but not European-African-American)" award. Additional exclusions may be necessary for super-Saharan African-Americans (e.g. persons from Egypt) and Asian-African-Americans. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TXBLKBEAR 0 #45 January 24, 2004 Ummm...maybe I read it wrong, or this sinus pressure is killing my brain cells, .. but why is the school holding an african american award thinger anyway? Isn't that racist all in itself? I Tend to agree with the above ^. The school should be suspended. This judging people by skin color is total bullshit. I am a person! Not a color or a title. Since I have started skydiving I can't count the number of dumb asses that have said to me that they didn't think black people did stuff like that. WTF, I just look at them like the dumb asses they are and tell 'em I would usually be robbin and stillin, rapin and pimpin but I took a break to learn how to skydive so I can get in their house from the roof. When I walk off they have the most confused stupid look on their faces.It makes me feel better, so WTF. Airborne! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydivingNurse 0 #46 January 24, 2004 Couldn't agree more. What the heck is with the whole black/white thing anyway? Last I checked, I'm a human, so are the people who live in Russia, Africa, Australia, etc. The only "race" I belong to is the human race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #47 January 24, 2004 QuoteI am a person! Not a color or a title. Since I have started skydiving I can't count the number of dumb asses that have said to me that they didn't think black people did stuff like that. WTF, I just look at them like the dumb asses they are and tell 'em I would usually be robbin and stillin, rapin and pimpin but I took a break to learn how to skydive so I can get in their house from the roof. LMFAO!!!!!!! Ok, must... stop... laughing... HAHAHA!! haha... ha... haha... ha!! (breathe). Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkydiveNFlorida 0 #48 January 24, 2004 Ok, i'm better now. . Anyhow, thinking more about this. I wonder how this differs from gender-specific awards... I mean, there are lots of "woman of the year" awards, and you don't hear anyone complaining. Isn't this, in a sense, also discriminatory? Personally, I can tell you I wouldn't be in the running for the White People's award. Fuck that! I am not sure, though, if i'd run for Woman of the Year, if I did indeed do something great that would deserve such an award... But, really, would anything? Aren't men and women supposed to be equals? So, why would we need gender specific awards? How about gender specific clubs? Or, race or religion specific clubs? How about sexual orientation specific clubs? Where do these fit in? There is so much discrimination that goes on daily that is accepted because it is the norm. But when it is a black/white thing is when it stands out most, we don't notice that it really is all around us... that or we just don't care. food for thought. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rocketdog 0 #49 January 24, 2004 give me an F-ing break.... so many people abuse/interpret/everything else the 1st amendment (which includes your freedom of press).... (sorry if this offends anyone BUT) it hardly looks like the student is showing malcontempt for African-Americans.... I would be disappointed if my newschannel wasted time on covering that in depth see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,113 #50 January 24, 2004 Until shown otherwise, it is more likely that this is a result of stupidity rather than malice on the part of the school administrators. (I do not have a very high opinion of school administrations.)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. 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Nightingale 0 #28 January 23, 2004 It also depends... did he get in trouble for applying for the award, or for papering the school with fliers? I'd have gotten suspended in high school if I'd put fliers up everywhere without admin approval, that was the rule. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingILweenie 0 #29 January 23, 2004 well it's incorrect cuz unless the kid is a citizen he's not american, but other than that he fits the letter of the law... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #30 January 23, 2004 Don't worry, the ACLU will sue and sort this out right away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #31 January 23, 2004 if the ACLU sues, it would be on the behalf of the kid, which will probably be the right thing to do, as awards like that don't belong in schools to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #32 January 23, 2004 It would be the right thing to do, but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #33 January 23, 2004 They probably wouldn't care if it was a black guy from somewhere in the Caribbean. But a white African-American? The nerve. Once again, political correctness goes awry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #34 January 23, 2004 "Don't you know by now? You can say or do anything you want to White Anglo-Saxon Males and it is NOT discrimination. In fact in many areas (such as this article proves) it is encouraged. " Dude, you left out Jews. It's perfectly acceptable to trash them too, in fact it seems to be quite in vogue in many circles these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #35 January 23, 2004 The school is probably a "State Actor" which would entail protections against government intervention. I'd love to see the ACLU take this one on. I'd love to take this on (if I could). My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #36 January 23, 2004 QuoteMy opinion: Well, first off the school should not have this award unless they have an American American award. IMO, the kid was completely in the right for running. All hell would break loose if we had a white person only award, but there seems to be quite a few black only awards. Just doesn't seem fair. Judy But, what is an american american, anyhow? Most of the black people in this country are as american as the white/other people in this country. Therefore, who would this award include/exclude? I mean, all of our roots lead elsewhere at some point, except the american indian, right? Hey, I can run... i'm part Cherokee:D lol! There are blacks here from Canada, could they run for the African-american award because they are black... even though they're from Canada? I think this boy was probably more African than many others running for that award... how long has it been since he was in Africa? How long since the other candidates were in Africa? I can't believe he was punished. This school should be ashamed of themselves, they are basically giving an award for blacks only,... with a label on it that says "African-american" but in fine print (transparent print) excludes non-coloured african americans. What bullshit! Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #37 January 23, 2004 the question is: was he punished for putting himself up for the award, or was he punished for plastering the school with fliers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #38 January 23, 2004 how many people here are black, african-american or both? I agree that there shouldn't have been a racial award. That is where the school went wrong. Unless of course there is an award for every race... you know, the slant award, raghead award, honkey cracker award, wetback award. I know I'm gonna get flack for this one so lighten the f&$% up. Also calling black people African-Americans was pc about 10 years ago. Now they simply like to be called black or black people. I'm betting the school didn't get that memo. The kid knew what he was doing, got what he deserved and now there is more racial shit in the news. Which is exactly what we all need right?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pammi 0 #39 January 23, 2004 QuoteSecond, personally, I hate the term "African-American" when referring to every person in the US with black skin. Its simply inaccurate. Exactly. If they meant black African-Americans, they should've said that (which seems wrong to me for reasons some of you have already stated). They tried to be PC about it and then get pissed when someone calls them on it. Ridiculous. Pammi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #40 January 23, 2004 The really sad part is that nothing is going to happen here. The school used an idiotic misnomer in an effort to be politically correct, and when they were called out on it they suspended the kid. Wouldn't want him preventing the administration from taking advantage of such an excellent opportunity to stick their heads in their asses. And "reverse racism" is a ridiculous term that, to me, suggests hatred of white people is somehow different or even wellfounded. I have tall friends, short friends, black friends, asian friends, european friends, male friends, female friends, man's best friends, whatever. As someone said, if you're cool you're cool... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybrat68 0 #41 January 23, 2004 Maybe it would be PC to call it the White-American award? Would that narrow things down enough?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elfanie 0 #42 January 24, 2004 Quote There are blacks here from Canada, could they run for the African-american award because they are black... even though they're from Canada? I think this boy was probably more African than many others running for that award... how long has it been since he was in Africa? How long since the other candidates were in Africa? My question is...if this award is based on skin color, how dark does the skin have to be? does it have to be REALLY black? Or can a "fair-skinned 'white-looking' who had a distant relative that was black" person qualify? -------------------------------------------- Elfanie My Skydiving Page Fly Safe - Soft Landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meltdown 0 #43 January 24, 2004 Maybe. Who wants to narrow it down? How 'bout just the "American" award? Then nobodys excluded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #44 January 24, 2004 The school should issue a mea culpa for the vague definition and change the name of the award to "Black American" or "Negroid American" award. Clicky - it's in the dictionary. If they want to restrict the award to certain people, fine by me. But truth in advertising - if the award is for people whose ancestors are, based on skin color, bone structure, or DNA (mitochondrial or otherwise) from a specific ethnic group, name the ethnic group unambiguously. I would also accept "African-American (but not European-African-American)" award. Additional exclusions may be necessary for super-Saharan African-Americans (e.g. persons from Egypt) and Asian-African-Americans. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TXBLKBEAR 0 #45 January 24, 2004 Ummm...maybe I read it wrong, or this sinus pressure is killing my brain cells, .. but why is the school holding an african american award thinger anyway? Isn't that racist all in itself? I Tend to agree with the above ^. The school should be suspended. This judging people by skin color is total bullshit. I am a person! Not a color or a title. Since I have started skydiving I can't count the number of dumb asses that have said to me that they didn't think black people did stuff like that. WTF, I just look at them like the dumb asses they are and tell 'em I would usually be robbin and stillin, rapin and pimpin but I took a break to learn how to skydive so I can get in their house from the roof. When I walk off they have the most confused stupid look on their faces.It makes me feel better, so WTF. Airborne! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydivingNurse 0 #46 January 24, 2004 Couldn't agree more. What the heck is with the whole black/white thing anyway? Last I checked, I'm a human, so are the people who live in Russia, Africa, Australia, etc. The only "race" I belong to is the human race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #47 January 24, 2004 QuoteI am a person! Not a color or a title. Since I have started skydiving I can't count the number of dumb asses that have said to me that they didn't think black people did stuff like that. WTF, I just look at them like the dumb asses they are and tell 'em I would usually be robbin and stillin, rapin and pimpin but I took a break to learn how to skydive so I can get in their house from the roof. LMFAO!!!!!!! Ok, must... stop... laughing... HAHAHA!! haha... ha... haha... ha!! (breathe). Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #48 January 24, 2004 Ok, i'm better now. . Anyhow, thinking more about this. I wonder how this differs from gender-specific awards... I mean, there are lots of "woman of the year" awards, and you don't hear anyone complaining. Isn't this, in a sense, also discriminatory? Personally, I can tell you I wouldn't be in the running for the White People's award. Fuck that! I am not sure, though, if i'd run for Woman of the Year, if I did indeed do something great that would deserve such an award... But, really, would anything? Aren't men and women supposed to be equals? So, why would we need gender specific awards? How about gender specific clubs? Or, race or religion specific clubs? How about sexual orientation specific clubs? Where do these fit in? There is so much discrimination that goes on daily that is accepted because it is the norm. But when it is a black/white thing is when it stands out most, we don't notice that it really is all around us... that or we just don't care. food for thought. Angela. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rocketdog 0 #49 January 24, 2004 give me an F-ing break.... so many people abuse/interpret/everything else the 1st amendment (which includes your freedom of press).... (sorry if this offends anyone BUT) it hardly looks like the student is showing malcontempt for African-Americans.... I would be disappointed if my newschannel wasted time on covering that in depth see the world! http://gorocketdog.blogspot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #50 January 24, 2004 Until shown otherwise, it is more likely that this is a result of stupidity rather than malice on the part of the school administrators. (I do not have a very high opinion of school administrations.)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
