nt8us 0 #1 December 10, 2010 i just took a security 150 out of service that a customer brought me for repack(it was last packed in 1983!).this guy is 240 lbs without a rig. i need a suitable replacement rig for this guy.anyone have something for sale that would work at his weight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #2 December 10, 2010 Quote i just took a security 150 out of service that a customer brought me for repack(it was last packed in 1983!).this guy is 240 lbs without a rig. i need a suitable replacement rig for this guy.anyone have something for sale that would work at his weight? Good! Correct me if I'm wrong, but Securities shouldn't be packed given the Manufacturer put a service life on their equipment and all GQ equipment is now older than given service life... I don't have anything, but I have been talking to a few people lately and seen a real need for 'big boy' pilot rigs ~ Corn Fed Americanskis in their little airplanes don't have a suitable rig with an appropriately sized emergency canopy..=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #3 December 10, 2010 Does he want a rig to satisfy an aerobatic or soaring requirement? If so, surplus military gear would work. A Para-Phernalia Sofie with a C-9 would be legal for your customer's exit weight, although your he would likely be injured, perhaps even seriously injured, in the landing. Alternatively, the largest Rigging Innovations Aviator is TSO'd to 300 pounds and is equipped with a square canopy appropriate to a novice. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 December 10, 2010 I've never seen a GQ document that applied to the U.S. stuff. The document that I've seen is for the UK stuff. BUT I follow it's recommendations, which were 10 plus 5 if inspected by the manuf. And it's all too old anyway, just cause. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #5 December 10, 2010 Butler also has canopies appropriate for him. I sold a customer two seat Softies with FFE Preserve V's a number of years ago. He liked the Softies but not the complexity of the canopies, which are no longer available. When he sold his T6 he sold the preserve V's with it. He wanted Softies but something else for a canopy so we got Butler LoPo's (either 450's or 550's I don't remember without getting up) and had Softie's built for them. This was the best option I found for walking away from the landing, not blowing up, and not going to a square. You can also get C-9's in Strong seats and in Butler container's. Strong has a 30' lopo that he's never finished the TSO on.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #6 December 10, 2010 QuoteYou can also get C-9's in Strong seats and in Butler container's. I was having a nice conversation the other day with Rigger Rob about this ~ but arn't C-9's near impossible to get in good condition these days?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #7 December 10, 2010 Not if you want to the price. I'm not talking surplus. I'm talking new manufacture. http://www.strongparachutes.com/pages/pc_squadron_warbird.php Para Phernalia will sell you one also. And Butler. New, surplus are also available on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GENUINE-MILITARY-C9-PARACHUTE-STILL-ORIG-BAG-/140347534608?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ad5d6d10I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #8 December 10, 2010 QuoteYou can also get C-9's in Strong seats and in Butler containers. The newer Strong seats are TSO C-23c Cat B (254#, 150kts), so it doesn't help that the C-9 is rated for more. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #9 December 10, 2010 Guess you have to buy an old one. I actually don't think I knew this.Thanks. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #10 December 10, 2010 A client has a Strong Paracushion for sale - please PM me for details if interested."Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #11 December 10, 2010 QuoteA client has a Strong Paracushion for sale - please PM me for details if interested. OP's client is 240# before gear and will exceed the TSO limits for current manufacture Para-Cushions. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilot-one 0 #12 December 10, 2010 I think I saw something on EBay today for around $1250 in the skydiving section. Not sure what it was but probably worth checking out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NovaTTT 2 #13 December 10, 2010 Next time I'll read the box and not just the topic. "Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #14 December 10, 2010 Last time I visited the Strong factory, they had lost their C-9 supplier. Para-Phernalia told me a similar story a couple of years back. Sounds like your customer's only options would be a Precision P-124A-290 or one of Butler's larger , round HX series. The HX series come with sombrero sliders which help soften high-speed openings. While test-dropping P-124A-290, we hung many hundreds of pounds of lead off them and never succeeded in tearing one. As for how soft P-124A-290s land??? I only made five jumps with them and never loaded them to more than 200 pounds. My first few P-124A landings were soft stand-ups. Landings were so soft, that I tried landing them down-wind - with my hands off the toggles - and my worst landing under a P124A -290 was no worse than most of my C-9 landings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 December 10, 2010 What type of airplane does he fly? How fast is his airplane? What type of parachute was it originally designed for? Does he have any extra head-room? Does he have any extra leg-room? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #16 December 10, 2010 Butler conveniently gets around the 254lb harness limit by having certified under the old C23b! Quoteonly options would be a Precision P-124A-290 or one of Butler's larger , round HX series. To refine that, Butler also has some LoPo's that are supposedly cheaper than their premium HX line. The LoPo's have a slider too, although not as complex, and are certified for high weights in the largest sizes. So there's another option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nt8us 0 #17 December 16, 2010 he is flying a sailplane, a Kestral(sp), airspeed of 155 mph. he was using a security 150 in it so anything similar in size would work for him .BUT he is 240 lbs without a parachute so i need something that he would still not exceed the weight limit. also he is a little concerned about rate of descent at his weight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #18 December 16, 2010 He can't be too worried if he was wearing a 150! Here's the link to Butlers less expensive lopos with sliders. http://www.butlerparachutes.com/LoPo%20Intro%20page.htm I put two of these in Softie seats because my client liked Softies better than Butler's containers. But either chair would work.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #19 December 17, 2010 I wrong! Preserve V's from FFE are still available. I just talked to them. 275lbs and 150 knots. Actually designed and tested for higher speeds TSO was filed at these limits. But look at the manual here to see what your getting into.http://www.freeflightent.com/PV_Pack_Inst_V.pdfI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
