Global Warming will cause Ice Age????

[bobsled92 0]

I miss riding(since 4yrs old) but, my last bike (I sold right before WFFC 2002) got less milage than the Honda accord I had. When 127H.P. bikes are running around it's not for milage. Thank God we don't ALL jump out of anything that burns fuel like a fat chick at an "all-u_can-eat".

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I miss riding(since 4yrs old) but, my last bike (I sold right before WFFC 2002) got less milage than the Honda accord I had. When 127 bikes are running around it's not for milage. Thank God we don't ALL jump out of anything that burns fuel like a fat chick at an "all-u_can-eat".

I thought that was a 10 speed bicycle you had at the WFFC?
We were talking about motorcycles.

[bobsled92 0]

I started on a Mini Indian,did dirt for 14 yrs and road (and track: Summit Point) about 15 total
Cannondale bicycle; $3,000 Made in PA Sold a touring Motorcycle for that.
p.s. DZdiva can pickup your stuff in Fairfax and I can take it from Chambersburg to WFFC.
New Ozone mobile Hemi love at 345hp over 400hp by Aug.

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I started on a Mini Indian,did dirt for 14 yrs and road (and track: Summit Point) about 15 total
Cannondale bicycle; $3,000 Made in PA Sold a touring Motorcycle for that.
p.s. DZdiva can pickup your stuff in Fairfax and I can take it from Chambersburg to WFFC.
New Ozone mobile Hemi love at 345hp over 400hp by Aug.

I'm there. Yippee!! Just look for the happy guy with bugs in his teeth.

[bobsled92 0]

Hell,
I still owe you the favor for bringing back my extra stuff from WFFC 2002. (3 days,no sleep and rushing to leave after hypoxia jump)

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[Amazon 7]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs2-00/

If Earth's climate continues to warm, then the volume of present-day ice sheets will decrease. Melting of the current Greenland ice sheet would result in a sea-level rise of about 6.5 meters; melting of the West Antarctic ice sheet would result in a sea-level rise of about 8 meters (table 1). The West Antarctic ice sheet is especially vulnerable, because much of it is grounded below sea level. Small changes in global sea level or a rise in ocean temperatures could cause a breakup of the two buttressing ice shelves (Ronne/Filchner and Ross). The resulting surge of the West Antarctic ice sheet would lead to a rapid rise in global sea level.
Reduction of the West Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets similar to past reductions would cause sea level to rise 10 or more meters. A sea-level rise of 10 meters would flood about 25 percent of the U.S. population, with the major impact being mostly on the people and infrastructures in the Gulf and East Coast States (fig. 3).


http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/ice_ages/why_4_cool_periods.html

Reduction of CO2 in the atmsophere
A general reduction in amount of CO2 in the atmosphere may contribute to the development of ice ages. Carbon dioxide is an important greenhouse gas. Decreases in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere may lead to global cooling.

Many processes can cause a long-term decrease in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. These processes include many complex interactions among organisms, ocean currents, erosion, and volcanism. Important relationships exist between ice ages and the composition of the atmosphere; however, many scientists are unsure whether the changes in atmosphere cause cool periods or whether cool periods cause atmospheric changes. Also, many scientists are not sure the magnitude of past CO2 changes was large enough to initiate ice ages.


Then again you can go with the exact opposite view....http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-239.htm


Glad I live about 400 ft above sea level.. Ya'll in FL are in deep(pun inteneded) trouble.

[bobsled92 0]

In all honesty, it does spook me that my children and soon wil be subjected to one of the DOOM possibilites. I'm a pessimist by nature.
I also will be moving to Florida within the next 20 months. Wife wants now (& the truck is hers=X-mas gift from me, her choice) I still have my Vovlo but, like I said, we as jumpers know aircraft & cars are doing a number on the planet.
Thanks for the info link too.(now I won't sleep unitl 3am again)

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And then there's always the other side:


James Hansen, one of the fathers of global warming theory, commented in the online journal Natural Science in September last year, "Emphasis on extreme scenarios may have been appropriate at one time, when the public and decision-makers were relatively unaware of the global warming issue... Now, however, the need is for demonstrably objective climate forcing scenarios consistent with what is realistic under current conditions." It seems that few in the movement got the memo, however. Recent weeks have provided a couple of excellent examples of how the environmental alarmist movement works. Emphasis on "extreme scenarios" is still at the forefront of its tactics.


For instance, several news reports recently concentrated on an alarming suggestion that the Gulf Stream might shut down as a result of global warming, an event that would cause major cooling in North America as well as Northern Europe. It is undoubtedly true that an end to the Gulf Stream would be catastrophic for many of mankind's most prosperous areas, but how likely is it? The researcher concerned, Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, simply told a press conference, "In the worst case it (the Gulf Stream) could shut down... it might even happen this century."



Those words, "in the worst case," cover a multitude of sins. It could simply be the most worrying of a few equally likely scenarios or an event so unlikely that it should be discounted. Yet, from the press accounts of the conference, we have no way of knowing how likely the occurrence is. If Rahmstorf did attempt to quantify the likelihood, that was not picked up by the press. The news consumer is left with a disturbing absence of context. He or she has been told by scientists and journalists that something worrying might happen, but has no idea of how to apply this to daily life.



Yet it is clear that the main offender in circumstances like this is not the reporting journalist (although the question of likelihood should have been raised and reported), but most often the scientists themselves. Academic press releases very often focus on extreme events or worst case scenarios, for the simple reason that their research is unlikely to be reported on if they don't.



A January 15 press release from the National Science Foundation is a case in point. It covered the unglamorous study of Siberian peat bogs, but used alarm over the prospect of global to draw attention to itself. The main news hook in the release is the contention, "If, as many scientists predict, a regional Arctic warming trend thaws the bogs and causes the trapped gases to be released into the atmosphere, that could result in a major and unexpected shift in climate trends, according to the researchers." The worry is that these bogs have acted as a carbon sink for thousands of years, but with thawing of the permafrost that could change.



Yet again, that scenario is, in the researchers' own words, extreme: "In an extreme scenario, not only would they stop taking up CO2, they would release a lot of the carbon they have taken up for centuries." The researchers also admit that they had found no evidence of such an event ever happening.



Those who despair at the way climate science is manipulated in the panic over global warming are used to such tactics. Whenever anyone mentions the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's forecast of temperature rises in the next century of up to 10° F., they are relying on an extreme scenario that is incredibly unlikely. As two distinguished scholars -- the economist David Henderson and the statistician Ian Castles -- have shown, that scenario relies on economic forecasts in which American economic performance is overtaken by Libya, Algeria and North Korea (and which The Economist called "dangerously incompetent.") If commentators were to take Hansen at his word and look for objective and realistic projections of warming, they would agree with him that, even if nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the likely temperature increase over the next 50 years is around 1.5°F, something mankind could easily adapt to.



Yet realism is sometimes at issue on the other side of the debate, too. Those of us who are concerned about seeing the truth darkly through the distorting glass of politics should be concerned about the use of some research by the anti-alarmist side in this conflict. For instance, a great deal was made last year about research that suggested that cosmic rays accounted for a large percentage of global warming. Stefan Rahmstorf and his colleagues on this occasion might be right to have advised recently that a study based on just 50 meteorites and with a timescale of millions of years cannot tell us much about warming trends in the comparatively miniscule scale of the last few decades.



Realism and objectivity are, as Hansen says, what are required in taking us forward in this scientific, economic and political debate. Neither side does itself any favors if it disregards those requirements. Yet the realistic assessment says that global warming is happening, it is probably insignificant and we will be able to adapt to it. If the only counter to that argument is extreme or worst case scenarios, then they should be exposed for the tiny risks they are.


and this:

http://www.john-daly.com/

[bobsled92 0]

Well,
like I said, I'm a great pessimist not a scientist
good info as well it's like the clicky info from amazon rather than the posted info.

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[Amazon 7]

One of the scary things I have read is some of the stuff that basically says that by 2050 if the Global warming/CO2 content of the atmosphere does not occur that there will be massive starvation of the 9+ billion people on the planet at that time. We need the global warming to increase crop productivity just to keep up....

[bobsled92 0]

I love my kids more than my pets.
guess what's for Thanksgiving 2049?
does "Beagle" have high fat content (87lbs from the pound)

actually we can't have pets with a problem like that.
The Amish are going to do even better here in PA.
They never had a worry of Y2K and then this deal.

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I gotcha but see, I'm hi-jacking this thread for a while. I'll give it back when I'm done and then we can get real.

Seems pretty damned difficult to hi-jack your own thread, afterall you are driving.

Why the hell do you want to talk to the GF?

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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Just another example of why we can't wait for "proof" that global warming is real. By the time we have the proof it will be to late. And even if we are wrong about human contribution to global warming cleaning up the environment is still good for us.

What about the poor people that could be fed with that clean-up money.

never pull low......unless you are

[mr2mk1g 10]

Christ, do they still think that's newsworthy? I remeber reading about the britain ice age theory years ago when the report was first published! Not only that but it was debunked shortly after as being possible, but highly unlikly.

Why do newspapers recylce this crap?

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I gotcha but see, I'm hi-jacking this thread for a while. I'll give it back when I'm done and then we can get real.

Seems pretty damned difficult to hi-jack your own thread, afterall you are driving.

Why the hell do you want to talk to the GF?

When I go away on my own, I usually ride. I agree part of the "buzz" from riding is being alone with your thoughts. On the other hand, I enjoy conversation with my GF and when we go away together for a week or more, I trailer the bike so I can spend more time with her. Believe me I've learned many lesson in life the hard way and one of them is the importance of communication with people you care about. It's also difficult to carry everything you need for 2 weeks vacation for 2 people on a MC.
Actually, I'm looking at a MC trailer that would allow me to ride but still haul my stuff but for now, I gotta deal with what I got.

Glad Bobsled and Skydiva have offered to haul my stuff to the WFFC this year. Means I'm probably going to ride out there. It's about 14 hours which I can handle.

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Sounds like a good plan. What kind of MC are you thinking about?

Haven't real done much thinking about it, other than something cheap. Any suggestions?

Never go to a DZ strip show.