Anyone think this is possible???

[LuvToFly 0]

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Does anyone think it is possible to establish a Women&Men's forum without it degrading into some kind of, "sex-fest?"

Talk Back threads have been so raunchy - that I am a little amazed it goes on.

I'm asking, do you think that women and men can have a place to exchange where better understanding between the sexes could be promoted? I would see that as a benefit both inside and outside of skydiving - for all of us -

Can it be done - and will the participants respect the stated direction? We're not talking about just men here as I have seen some incredibly raunchy threads by women as well. I mean, could we put the benefits of such a place over the temptation to make it a high-school thing??

What's everyone think?

One of the shortfalls with the "Women's Only" or "Mens Only" approach is when people have to feel like gate-crashers to participate in the conversation - and that would be true of women and men. Perhaps if there was a place that promoted these exchanges and that understanding??? What do folks think?

Topics would have to be moderated, most likely -

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[freeflybella 0]

Personally, I think the women's forum is exactly that.

Men generally get together less to talk about relationships. Women, more so. When men want to discuss relationships, etc., they come to Women Only. And when they are genuine, they seem to be enthusiastically received.

Personally, I think when women ONLY want to talk to other women, they shouldn't expect to do that in a public forum. Same thing with the men.

Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi

[LuvToFly 0]

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Personally, I think the women's forum is exactly that.

Men generally get together less to talk about relationships. Women, more so. When men want to discuss relationships, etc., they come to Women Only. And when they are genuine, they seem to be enthusiastically received.

Personally, I think when women ONLY want to talk to other women, they shouldn't expect to do that in a public forum. Same thing with the men.

Shani -

Agree - but I think one of the problems is that men feel like they have to ask persmission or are gate crashing to post in the Women's only forum - and doesn't seem to have the balance that I have suggested -

On your other note, as a technology person, I can tell you it would be very easy to filter participation in a forum by sex as recorded on the profiles. There would still be room for falsification - but it might provide the kind of privacy for the separate forums you spoke of -

Note: Don't know if I could agree with your statement about men's discussions - I discuss relationships quite often concerning the opposite sex with other men - so not sure there would be a lack of that on the men's end - I know of very few, if any men that do not have something to say about either the relationship they are in, or of relationships in general.

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[LuvToFly 0]

To the moderator that moved this from the Forum it was posted in, to Talk Back - think that was a bad idea and sort of defeats the purpose of this post -

It was directed to a specific audience for comment -

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[happythoughts 0]

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Does anyone think it is possible to establish a Women&Men's forum without it degrading into some kind of, "sex-fest?"

Possible, but a bad idea.

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I'm asking, do you think that women and men can have a place to exchange where better understanding between the sexes could be promoted?

Most people understand the differences between men and women. Any particular questions?

Other people are having fun. A lot of people on this forum know each other and enjoy teasing each other. I wouldn't want to get into a "thought police" situation.

There are plenty of threads on relationships, etc. Feel free to start one, but a whole new forum? That is kind of overkill for a site that is primarily about skydiving. This falls under the category "Other" which is what Talkback is for.

[flyangel2 2]

I think the reason it was moved, is because it really has nothing to do with Women only. Why not bring it to Talk Back, heck, you could save more people here

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[skymama 37]

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To the moderator that moved this from the Forum it was posted in, to Talk Back - think that was a bad idea and sort of defeats the purpose of this post -

It was directed to a specific audience for comment -

The Women's Forum is supposed to be for women and most of the threads written by women. Your question is a general question and it belongs in Talkback. As for your audience, I know some women who don't even go into the women's forum, so you'll actually get more views here.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[StearmanR985 0]

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Personally, I think the women's forum is exactly that.

Men generally get together less to talk about relationships. Women, more so. When men want to discuss relationships, etc., they come to Women Only. And when they are genuine, they seem to be enthusiastically received.

Personally, I think when women ONLY want to talk to other women, they shouldn't expect to do that in a public forum. Same thing with the men.

I agree with this for the most part. I do go into the womans forum for some insight and have posted on rare occasion. I suppose if I was having trouble with my relationship my wife or daughter I might post for some different perspectives. However, I do feel a bit awkward posting in the "womans only forum". I would hate for some of the girls to think I was imposing upon their area.

[EricaH 0]

I'm glad they moved it. There's a reason it's called women's only forum. Certainly men are often invited to put their 2 cent in, but it is not called the "pick women's brains forum". It is for our discussion on matters that affect us.

hopefully if you post a serious thread in talk back & let it be know that is how you want it kept, that's the way it'll stay. it has happened before & will again.

Sorry if this is heavy handed. I agree w/ freeflybella bout not posting private info - hopefully people would know that anything posted can be ready by ANYone. However there are things which sometimes should be addressed to women; as it is, some educated men have very valuable insight & we welcome their input - but it's for our discussion. Being a minority in the sport & on this site, it makes me greatful to have a psudo-safe haven.

There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear.

PMS #227 (just like the TV show)

[AggieDave 6]

Right. I've posted a few times in the Womens forum, but that's usually to ask a question or to answer a question that I knew the answer to.

What gets me are the guys (and girls that do it quite a bit as well) that post stupid one liners and think that's cool. Heh, nope. That's what this forum is for, stupid shit.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[LuvToFly 0]

Heard from a couple of folks via PM, and really appreciate your comments. Makes sense it went to Talk Back -

Sorry for the hyper SkyMama/other moderator(s) -

TOM

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[quade 4]

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Does anyone think it is possible to establish a Women&Men's forum without it degrading into some kind of, "sex-fest?"

No. Hell, we can't even keep the smart-asses out of the Women's Only Forum.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[LuvToFly 0]

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Does anyone think it is possible to establish a Women&Men's forum without it degrading into some kind of, "sex-fest?"

No. Hell, we can't even keep the smart-asses out of the Women's Only Forum.

If your assessment is correct Paul, that's disappointing -

Do you feel there are more "smart asses" as you stated in this sport than in other venues, and that this is what makes this difficult??

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[WrongWay 0]

Dude I HIGHLY doubt that. Quite frankly, the Women's Forum is just that, women only, highly moderated. For that very reason, I have not once visited that forum, never even glanced inside it for the very respect for this site and the people on it. The Women's Forum is their opportunity to have their version of an "online group bathroom break", ya know, where they go in there and talk about us? That's their place, and unless you're a woman, stay out of it dude.

And as far as having a "Men's" forum, what would be the point? The only thing that would change on this site is the "boobies" posts would be moved off of talkback. So there's the answer to your question, any other questions, please refer to sunshine's post.

Just my $.99 Super Value Meal.

Wrong Way
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The wiser wolf prevails.

[quade 4]

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Do you feel there are more "smart asses" as you stated in this sport than in other venues, and that this is what makes this difficult??

To a certain extent -- yes.

Skydivers, as a group, tend to be a bit more outgoing and rambunctious, tend to have anti-authority issues and are highly competitive. So, oneupsmanship tends to run a bit higher than normal.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[flyangel2 2]

Oh sweetie, watch out. You may want to check out the Women's Forum here to get a feel for Mr. LuvToFly.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[bendywendy 0]

I would completely have to agree with that one!

[ACMESkydiver 0]

Sadly, I think Flyangel is right...I don't want to be part of someone's 'experiment'....

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[diverdriver 6]

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Sadly, I think Flyangel is right...I don't want to be part of someone's 'experiment'....

Ahhhhh...they're catching on.

[flyangel2 2]

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Sadly, I think Flyangel is right...I don't want to be part of someone's 'experiment'....

Ahhhhh...they're catching on.

Thank you, my work here is done

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[Deuce 1]

Tom, who at Eloy knows you?

Drop me some names. Who were your AFF instructors? What's your A license number?

To be fair I'm an AFF coach and I'm on the video rotation at Byron.

Connie, Alan, Jack, and Mad John were some of my instructors. I regularly annoy Bonnie, who nicknamed me "Divot" after a very nice crash last year.

My D license number is 25597.

[flyangel2 2]

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Maybe cause after doing a search on some of Tom's post, I found this It seems that for some reason Tom feels the need to save us. I just feel that Tom should have come right out and told us who he was and why he was so interested in relationships. Be warned, what you say may be put in on his web site under "True Stories"

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Just give you an answer to your one question, as this is not worth any more my time...

In response to your question about where or when did you smear my website and my intentions, look what you said above. I only have one web site, and you know it. You insulted not me, but the folks that might benefit by such an effort.

Do not expect me to continue to engage you in this - Your opinion means nothing to me at this point -

But if you want to argue some more, let's take it to Talk Back and get out of the Women's forum with this -

I don't think my statement is a smear, only trying to inform people of what you left out. If you take it as a smear, so be it. Nothing I can say or write will change your mind. Believe what you want, and I will believe what I want. That's the beauty of America

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[happythoughts 0]

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Drop me some names. Who were your AFF instructors? What's your A license number?

According to his website, the upcoming feature is called "re-learning trust". Posting true information would be the basis of honesty that could lead to trust. If a person wants a relationship, they've gotta start with honesty.

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[LuvToFly 0]

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Tom, who at Eloy knows you?

Drop me some names. Who were your AFF instructors? What's your A license number?

To be fair I'm an AFF coach and I'm on the video rotation at Byron.

Connie, Alan, Jack, and Mad John were some of my instructors. I regularly annoy Bonnie, who nicknamed me "Divot" after a very nice crash last year.

My D license number is 25597.

Deuce -

In about 5 minutes - you are PM'd -

"The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment
of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky

[Nightingale 0]

Tom,

I like what you've had to say, and the way you've said it.

Best of luck in your endeavours with abused children. I've done some work at shelters myself, and it is not an easy task.

-Kris
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