benny 0 #1 January 26, 2004 Now I know some of my posts are controversial, that's the life a liberral leads... but someone recently accused me of being a liar, and not about politics, but skydiving. I'm newbie, so I don't really know, is it so uncommon to be unbelievable that someone would drop two sizes from their original canopy during AFF? I mean, I was from a .8095 WL to a 1:1... does that shock you folks? Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #2 January 26, 2004 QuoteNow I know some of my posts are controversial, that's the life a liberral leads... but someone recently accused me of being a liar, and not about politics, but skydiving. I'm newbie, so I don't really know, is it so uncommon to be unbelievable that someone would drop two sizes from their original canopy during AFF? I mean, I was from a .8095 WL to a 1:1... does that shock you folks? Not in the slightest. I did very similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #3 January 26, 2004 Who accused you of lying and what for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #4 January 26, 2004 What would you have to gain from lying? Sounds sorta silly to me. I'm a new-b 2 but it doesn't sound unreasonable for someone to do that.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #5 January 26, 2004 Sadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing. Why not? I read the incidents forum. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #6 January 26, 2004 I'm not going to name names, that would be unkind. But a certain person thinks that I'm lying when I say that I jumped a 210 for levels 1&2, a 190 for 3&4, and a 170 for 5&6. I'm a skinny guy, that gets me to a 1:1 loading now. The guy accuses me of trying to lie myself into a tight-nit community, says he's gonna call my DZ and ask. I welcome him to, give him the names of my JMs. He just calls me a liar some more. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #7 January 26, 2004 QuoteWho accused you of lying and what for? Jim Riley a.k.a freefallfreak called him a liar in this post: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=880313;#880313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #8 January 26, 2004 doesn't seem all that unbelievable so long as you are not changeing type of coanopy (square to eliptical) as well------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #9 January 26, 2004 Quotedoesn't seem all that unbelievable so long as you are not changeing type of coanopy (square to eliptical) as well oh did i fail to mention i switched to crossbraced?? NOTE: I WAS ONLY KIDDING ABOUT THE CROSSBRACE Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #10 January 26, 2004 Quotebut someone recently accused me of being a liar, and not about politics, but skydiving. No, he accused you of being "bogus." Definition here. I say this whole post is about you being right. It's childish, you know? Take it to him in pms, work it out in private, and handle it with some class. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #11 January 26, 2004 QuoteThe guy accuses me of trying to lie myself into a tight-nit community, says he's gonna call my DZ and ask. Tight-nit community? LOL Would that be the "Femur Fuck'd-ups?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #12 January 26, 2004 A wingloading of 1:1 during AFF is probably uncommon, but not unheard of. I waited till I had over 100 jumps to go down to 1:1. I went through AFF at a loading of about .56, then bought a main with a loading of about .85. But some DZs start students on much higher loadings. Personally I'm glad I took it slow, but at the same time I'm sure I could have handled my current canopy just fine under MOST circumstances many jumps ago. It's actually considerably easier to land than my old canopy was. But I was glad to have a slow F111 canopy for a few off landings I've had. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #13 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuotebut someone recently accused me of being a liar, and not about politics, but skydiving. No, he accused you of being "bogus." Definition here. I say this whole post is about you being right. It's childish, you know? Take it to him in pms, work it out in private, and handle it with some class. Ciels- Michele Yes, he is right. But he was asking for advice, and that is the purpose of the forum (at least to some extent). He got his answer, so it's all cleared up. Move along.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stuffit 0 #14 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuotebut someone recently accused me of being a liar, and not about politics, but skydiving. No, he accused you of being "bogus." Definition here. I say this whole post is about you being right. It's childish, you know? Take it to him in pms, work it out in private, and handle it with some class. Ciels- Michele Does anyone here handle anything with any amount of class? Get over yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites caress 0 #15 January 26, 2004 Yes there are a few that do. I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites andrewstewart 0 #16 January 26, 2004 QuoteYes there are a few that do. And you're not one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pds 0 #17 January 26, 2004 QuoteSadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing. Why not? I read the incidents forum. what he said. from watching 2 landings (some of your very first landings at that) your jm ok's aff student to downsize? and then yet again after a few more? hmmmm.... i would be less concerned with what dude calls you and more concerned with your health. it is kinda hard to believe. maybe you should wonder why. be safER.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #18 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteSadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing. Why not? I read the incidents forum. what he said. from watching 2 landings (some of your very first landings at that) your jm ok's aff student to downsize? and then yet again after a few more? hmmmm.... i would be less concerned with what dude calls you and more concerned with your health. it is kinda hard to believe. maybe you should wonder why. be safER. Benny: Skye and I may be hijacking this thread, but there seems to be a greater issue than "liar" here. Frankly, we're concerned that you are telling the truth. Can you see why? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites caress 0 #19 January 26, 2004 You don't know how happy you've made me that I do not meet your approval! Thank You I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites n2skdvn 0 #20 January 26, 2004 benny as i tell alot of low time jumpers. dont rush the sport it's fast enough as it is.if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites benny 0 #21 January 26, 2004 Well, yes, and no. I understand why you say it, I've heard the bigger is better argument. But it's not like we're a talking about getting into high performance WLs here. I didn't ask to downsize, I didn't ask no to either. I trust the judgment of my JMs, they thought I was capable of handling the canopy. Well, I had a PLF on the 170 and one on the 190. I don't think they were anything to do with the size though. Fortunately I'm still here. I think I'll probably jump a 170 for a while now. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelel01 1 #22 January 26, 2004 Please explain to me why so many DZ.commers seem to have their panties in a wad recently. If someone posts something you don't like, PLEASE ignore it and let it go. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ! Does anyone see the irony contained in my post? And Benny, for the sake of staying on topic, I don't doubt that you were downsized so quickly. I talked to a couple of other people from your DZ over the weekend, and they had similar stories. Thank you and goodnight! Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pds 0 #23 January 26, 2004 QuoteWell, I had a PLF on the 170 and one on the 190. 25% of your jumps. rut roh. Quote I don't think they were anything to do with the size though. it probably had to do with both the size and the fact that you are really new to the sport and having to adjust to the smaller canopy while you are still learning to land. slap my face and call me stupid but i think students should concentrate on learning how to land without breaking stuff before they deal with smaller faster canopies. i don't know. you may be just peachy under what you are flying. high wing loading is purely subjective quantification. i think what you are hearing is here is that on the surface it doesnt sound the most prudent course of action. this is not a troll. i am concerned.namaste, motherfucker. 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caress 0 #15 January 26, 2004 Yes there are a few that do. I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andrewstewart 0 #16 January 26, 2004 QuoteYes there are a few that do. And you're not one of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #17 January 26, 2004 QuoteSadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing. Why not? I read the incidents forum. what he said. from watching 2 landings (some of your very first landings at that) your jm ok's aff student to downsize? and then yet again after a few more? hmmmm.... i would be less concerned with what dude calls you and more concerned with your health. it is kinda hard to believe. maybe you should wonder why. be safER.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 January 26, 2004 QuoteQuoteSadly, it doesn't shock me at all to learn about your canopy downsizing. Why not? I read the incidents forum. what he said. from watching 2 landings (some of your very first landings at that) your jm ok's aff student to downsize? and then yet again after a few more? hmmmm.... i would be less concerned with what dude calls you and more concerned with your health. it is kinda hard to believe. maybe you should wonder why. be safER. Benny: Skye and I may be hijacking this thread, but there seems to be a greater issue than "liar" here. Frankly, we're concerned that you are telling the truth. Can you see why? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caress 0 #19 January 26, 2004 You don't know how happy you've made me that I do not meet your approval! Thank You I've learned.... That being kind is more important than being right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #20 January 26, 2004 benny as i tell alot of low time jumpers. dont rush the sport it's fast enough as it is.if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benny 0 #21 January 26, 2004 Well, yes, and no. I understand why you say it, I've heard the bigger is better argument. But it's not like we're a talking about getting into high performance WLs here. I didn't ask to downsize, I didn't ask no to either. I trust the judgment of my JMs, they thought I was capable of handling the canopy. Well, I had a PLF on the 170 and one on the 190. I don't think they were anything to do with the size though. Fortunately I'm still here. I think I'll probably jump a 170 for a while now. Never go to a DZ strip show. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #22 January 26, 2004 Please explain to me why so many DZ.commers seem to have their panties in a wad recently. If someone posts something you don't like, PLEASE ignore it and let it go. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ! Does anyone see the irony contained in my post? And Benny, for the sake of staying on topic, I don't doubt that you were downsized so quickly. I talked to a couple of other people from your DZ over the weekend, and they had similar stories. Thank you and goodnight! Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #23 January 26, 2004 QuoteWell, I had a PLF on the 170 and one on the 190. 25% of your jumps. rut roh. Quote I don't think they were anything to do with the size though. it probably had to do with both the size and the fact that you are really new to the sport and having to adjust to the smaller canopy while you are still learning to land. slap my face and call me stupid but i think students should concentrate on learning how to land without breaking stuff before they deal with smaller faster canopies. i don't know. you may be just peachy under what you are flying. high wing loading is purely subjective quantification. i think what you are hearing is here is that on the surface it doesnt sound the most prudent course of action. this is not a troll. i am concerned.namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdweller 0 #24 January 26, 2004 >Does anyone see the irony contained in my post? < I do------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeemax 0 #25 January 26, 2004 Benny, i'm just curious. Which DZ do you jump at? What are the canopies you are jumping? Did the instructors give any reason as to why they were downsizing you so quickly?Phoenix Fly - High performance wingsuits for skydiving and BASE Performance Designs - Simply brilliant canopies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
