Duckwater 0 #1 January 27, 2004 Pilot error caused this crash. For some odd reason, they don't 'zero' their altimiters to field elevation like we do in civilian acro and skydiving. They set it to MSL??? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/190-full.html#186582 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #2 January 27, 2004 Oooo...groovy photo! Thanks Duck! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 January 27, 2004 Hey wingnut: you work on these things right? What's up with the leading edge of the wing in the photo?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #4 January 27, 2004 In case you didn't see it, here's a video. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #5 January 27, 2004 QuotePilot error caused this crash. For some odd reason, they don't 'zero' their altimiters to field elevation like we do in civilian acro and skydiving. They set it to MSL??? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/190-full.html#186582 The good ol' ACES-II saves another one. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #6 January 27, 2004 Heres a link to an even better photo: http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer/misc/030915%20Thunderbird%20Ejection/Additional%20Shots/?txtPicName=Large%2Ft-bird-6-front-ejectmod+%28large%29.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boxingrrl 0 #7 January 27, 2004 That's a pretty expensive photo-op edited because I can't type as fast as I think I can Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #8 January 27, 2004 QuoteWhat's up with the leading edge of the wing in the photo? His leading edge slats are extended. Like flaps, but on the front of the wing to increase camber for low speed flight. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoostedXT 0 #9 January 27, 2004 OK now what happens to the pilot? Does he get kicked off the Thunderbirds? Probation? Is that the end of his career in the team? Thats a kick arse photo. I hope it doesnt end his career though. JoeFor long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #10 January 27, 2004 Thpfftftftftftftf....nobody caught your repost policing, Ivan...go skulk in a corner...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #11 January 27, 2004 QuotePilot error caused this crash. For some odd reason, they don't 'zero' their altimiters to field elevation like we do in civilian acro and skydiving. They set it to MSL??? http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/190-full.html#186582 What is "civilian acro"? And do pilots "zero" their altimeters on the ground? That sounds like crazy talk to me - shouldn't they always be set to MSL so the pilot knows how high the plane is almost no matter where he goes, not just at the airport he departed? -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #12 January 27, 2004 QuoteThpfftftftftftftf....nobody caught your repost policing, Ivan...go skulk in a corner... There was a few comments somewhere that the repost police stuff was getting beyond annoying. He's just sharing the video in the first link.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #13 January 27, 2004 The pilot now works at the pentagon. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #14 January 27, 2004 QuoteQuoteThpfftftftftftftf....nobody caught your repost policing, Ivan...go skulk in a corner... There was a few comments somewhere that the repost police stuff was getting beyond annoying. He's just sharing the video in the first link. Oh...but I liked the repost police. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #15 January 27, 2004 seems only like the angle of the picture. ( if youre talking about the right wing/ the left side of picture)My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoostedXT 0 #16 January 27, 2004 Thanks for the info. Do you know if it was a result of this crash? Or was is something of a choice? I think it would stink to have 1 mistake mess up your career dreams. Think about how many of us would be jobless.......oh wait nevermind. JoeFor long as you live and high you fly and smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry and all that you touch and all that you see is all your life will ever be. Pedro Offers you his Protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #17 January 27, 2004 Pilots do normally use MSL. I believe in this case, the pilot did not use an altimeter setting but rather set his altimeter to the field elevation of his home base without thinking. But for aerobatics, where you're landing at the same elevation you took off at only a short time later, zeroing the altimeter might be a good idea. I'd rather not have to think about how high I actually am every time I check my altitude. (I dont do aerobatics, btw) Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #18 January 27, 2004 it was a result of the crash that he works in the pentagon. thats not a place for a fighter pilot. he's somebody's coffee bitch until he gets off probation etc.! but its a prestigious coffee-bitchMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #19 January 27, 2004 Wow, cool shot! Glad he made it. Remember this one? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #20 January 27, 2004 Quote The pilot now works at the pentagon. Good to see it is the same in any branch of service. You fuck up you move up! That being said, where can I sign up for that ride!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wingnut 0 #21 January 27, 2004 QuoteHey wingnut: you work on these things right? What's up with the leading edge of the wing in the photo? QuoteHis leading edge slats are extended. Like flaps, but on the front of the wing to increase camber for low speed flight. actualy you are close,...... the leading edge of the wing has a flight control surface called leading edge flaps and they are used to give the aircraft better handling cracteristics in all aspects of flight. they move dependandt on the angle of atack of the airplane as sensed thorught the AOA probes(angle of atack probes) and airspeed. they also help when the pilot goes into a very steep or or negative angle of attack. in the picture they seem to bei n the 25 degrees down position (full down) the f-16 also has flaperons a mix of flaps and ailerons. they control roll and also act a flaps, it also has stabilators that act as horzontal sabilizers and elivators. the stabilators and flamerons are also interconected to for roll where the flaperon and sabilator will move in oposite directions on oposite sides of the aircrat in cordnation for increased manuverability...... p.s. sorry i went so in depth.. just had a formal trainin clas over this paticular flight control system last month..... the leadng edge flaps are actually very easy to remove iand install... it's the damn operations checks that take forever and are a painin the ass.....lol..... oh yeah edited to add this...... the altimiters the pilots have can be calibrated to see level or maualy adjusted to what ever elevation they want.. it's one of my favorite pastimes durring some ops checks to mes with em........ always set em back of course but it's also one ofr the thinkgs the pilot has to check before he taxis.... ______________________________________ "i have no reader's digest version" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamT 0 #22 January 27, 2004 Fighter craft usually have rader altimeters as well. Bitchin' betty was probably screaming her head off. PULL UP...PULL UP...PULL UP.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #23 January 27, 2004 QuoteHis leading edge slats are extended. Like flaps, but on the front of the wing to increase camber for low speed flight. I thought something like that, but couldn't remember seeing them last time I looked at an F-16 at an airshow. I assume most of the time a FMS contorls them rather than manual deployment by the pilot.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #24 January 27, 2004 thats a neat picture and I'll bet the pilot has a copy framed on his wall at home. "For some odd reason"??????? All aircraft set their altimeter to MSL. If they were to set it like jumpers, at zero in New York, he would have one heck of a landing in Denver which is 5000+ ft asl. Jumpers set it at zero on the field and jump on the same field. There is NOTHING odd about the reason. About 15 years ago the Thunderbirds were practicing over the Nevada desert. They held a diamond formation, and the flight leader failed to pull out before he hit the desert. The other three followed him....plop,,,plop,,,,plop... four dead in the blinjk of an eye. Bill Cole D-41 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #25 January 27, 2004 Ya know, right after posting it, I realized I shoulda said flaps, not slats. Slats go forward and down, flaps just go down. But I had no idea they were automated like that. That's really cool. Gotta love fly by wire. Here's a question. Looks like his afterburner is on. After an ejection, does the power stay where the pilot left it, or does the aircraft shut down? I'm just picturing an F-16 flying away with no pilot... Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
