Conservative Skydivers - Let's make our platform!

[lawrocket 3]

Let's let the left worry about uniting.

Let's make our own platform:

I'll start with a few suggestions:

1. Individuals makes society, and society has no business dictating to individuals

2. Individuals should have the freedom to destroy themselves if they want, and society should not have to foot the bill

3. Individuals should keep their hands to themselves unless consent is given.

4. Individuals should mind their own business, unless it is to make an honest buck.

5. Anyone who toes a "party line" shall be derided.

Any more suggestions?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[quade 4]

Fly conservatively!

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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3. Individuals should keep their hands to themselves unless consent is given.

Sounds too liberal, like signing a consent to have sex.

Guns aren't bad; people are.

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[n2skdvn 0]

lets form out own party the "Party Party"!!!!!

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[lawrocket 3]

I'm all for that one, too!

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[PhillyKev 0]

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1. Individuals makes society, and society has no business dictating to individuals

Ok, conservatives. Than stop with the cencorship issues and trying to dictate what happens in people's bedrooms.

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2. Individuals should have the freedom to destroy themselves if they want, and society should not have to foot the bill

Ok conservatives, stop your "war on drugs"

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3. Individuals should keep their hands to themselves unless consent is given.

I'm not sure why this is a partisan issue.

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4. Individuals should mind their own business, unless it is to make an honest buck.

Ok conservatives, then trash the Patriot Act. Why is it so important to know what I read in a library or on the internet?

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5. Anyone who toes a "party line" shall be derided.

That would mean that you should not follow any of your previous suggestions.

[rehmwa 2]

You're confusing conservative with extremists and I think LR's intent is this would be more of a platform for self proclaimed conservative skydivers, not a definition of the current republican party.

Our current party is not acting conservative (fiscally) with the huge spending while in control. Also, the steel tariffs, prescription medicine act, now I hear we are giving the biggest increase to the arts?!! This is all not fiscally conservative at all, it's meddling and redistribution.

Your points -

1 - no business dictating - agreed, stay out of the bedroom, but also stop telling us how and who to hire as an example from the dems. Both sides are guilty

2 - freedom to kill themselves - hard to agree on the stop the drug war, because that also involve people killing others, but in your vein, stop paying for rehab for people who choose to take those illegal drugs. LR might mean 'let us skydive it's our biz not yours'

3 - hands to themselves - not partisan, but a good idea

4 - mind their own business - I'm not sure the PA has either hurt or helped, but people sure are passionate about perceived extrapolation of the concept. On the other side - why do lefty schools punish expel kids for saying what they think, wearing certain shirts, drawing certain art. just examples, it's both sides.

5 - derision and mockery are good things in moderation

so, What about just a platform that 'mostly' common to skydivers wallets?

1 - The reserve pack cycle is too short. Let's extend it and save some bucks.

2 - Airplanes need fuel. Let's support policy to reduce the cost of fuels. Maybe jump tickets will go down. Also, lawsuits keep aircraft designers from making new models of small planes - not right. Also, liability concerns make them way too expensive.

3 - DZ owners can have 6 or 7 figures in $$ in property, let's help their kids by eliminating the inheritance tax.

4 - Ditto for wind tunnel owners.

5 - If we were at the airport first, then new housing developments should live with it and not try to kick us off.

6 - People that take known risks should own up to their responsibilities, society should not pay for their medical expenses and they shouldn't file lawsuits to rectify their own stupidity.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

Philly Kev, you are indeed a libertarian! I always thought we agreed on most stuff.

What the Republicans are doing is a disgrace to conservatives...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[turtlespeed 226]

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1. Individuals makes society, and society has no business dictating to individuals

Ok, conservatives. Than stop with the cencorship issues and trying to dictate what happens in people's bedrooms.

Reply - Not in the bedroom. Simply stated, the platform denounces same sex marriage, not same sex relationships or unions. It's all in the symantics.

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2. Individuals should have the freedom to destroy themselves if they want, and society should not have to foot the bill.

Ok conservatives, stop your "war on drugs"

Reply - I believe this goes more along the lines of smoking and assisted suicide. Drugs bought and sold in this country have shown to support TERRORISM in alot of cases, directly or inderectly. This argument also goes with #3, if people would not steal or murder, or cost society, there would be no need to abolish them. Pretty simple.

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3. Individuals should keep their hands to themselves unless consent is given.

I'm not sure why this is a partisan issue.

Reply- It shouldn't be!

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4. Individuals should mind their own business, unless it is to make an honest buck.

Ok conservatives, then trash the Patriot Act. Why is it so important to know what I read in a library or on the internet?

If you read books on how to blow people up, and how to be a terrorist, I would think that you might need to be interviewed, but that is just me.

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5. Anyone who toes a "party line" shall be derided.

That would mean that you should not follow any of your previous suggestions.

Reply - No, he does not contradict himself. I believe it means that if you don't think for yourself, you should be riddiculed for being a lemming.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,146]

Everything you wrote suggests that you think it appropriate for the government to meddle in the affairs of citizens, since there is always some excuse or another that can be used.

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[Shark 0]

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Any more suggestions?

Turbine A/C in every DZ.

[rehmwa 2]

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Any more suggestions?

Turbine A/C in every DZ.

Not if my taxes pay for it.

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[turtlespeed 226]

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Everything you wrote suggests that you think it appropriate for the government to meddle in the affairs of citizens, since there is always some excuse or another that can be used.

In some cases, yes, that is correct.
I can say the same about your posts as well.

Take for instance the reply above about drugs and the "War on Drugs"
Do you like being protected (albeit not 100%) from the drug users that are commiting crimes against you? Would you like it better if you weren't?

I'm also tired of paying for all the people to sit at home and do nothing.
You can't tell me there are no jobs, if there were no jobs, as is commonly propagandized by the left, there would be no "Help Wanted" ads in the paper.
Unemployment is a choice. It may be a choice that involves your self pride, but it is a choice nonetheless.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[turtlespeed 226]

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Any more suggestions?

Turbine A/C in every DZ.

Not if my taxes pay for it.

I'd love my taxes to go to that, at least it is worthwhile, and would directly affect me.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,146]

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Everything you wrote suggests that you think it appropriate for the government to meddle in the affairs of citizens, since there is always some excuse or another that can be used.

In some cases, yes, that is correct.
I can say the same about your posts as well.

Take for instance the reply above about drugs and the "War on Drugs"
Do you like being protected (albeit not 100%) from the drug users that are commiting crimes against you? Would you like it better if you weren't?

I'm also tired of paying for all the people to sit at home and do nothing.
You can't tell me there are no jobs, if there were no jobs, as is commonly propagandized by the left, there would be no "Help Wanted" ads in the paper.
Unemployment is a choice. It may be a choice that involves your self pride, but it is a choice nonetheless.

How come alcohol money doesn't go to support terrorism? Because alcohol is LEGAL. Your argument is just another excuse for government meddling in the affairs of citizens. If Pot is decriminalized, then the pot trade won't be controlled by criminals. (Works in reverse too: if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns).

As for unemployment is a choice - tell that to the 15,000 laid off by Kodak this month. What choice did they have? Are the Kodak executives who made the poor business decisions laid off too?

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[downwardspiral 0]

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How come alcohol money doesn't go to support terrorism? Because alcohol is LEGAL. Your argument is just another excuse for government meddling in the affairs of citizens. If Pot is decriminalized, then the pot trade won't be controlled by criminals.

Yes indeed. Legalize 'em, tax 'em, and let the users pay for their own rehab.

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[turtlespeed 226]

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How come alcohol money doesn't go to support terrorism? Because alcohol is LEGAL. Your argument is just another excuse for government meddling in the affairs of citizens. If Pot is decriminalized, then the pot trade won't be controlled by criminals. (Works in reverse too: if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns).

As for unemployment is a choice - tell that to the 15,000 laid off by Kodak this month. What choice did they have? Are the Kodak executives who made the poor business decisions laid off too?

Pot, Grass, Weed, or whatever you want to call it, in my opinion SHOULD be legalized. I don't partake in the stuff myself. It would be a big boost for the economy. The restrictions that the gov't would put on it would be rediculous though. But that takes litigation to turn the tide for. If it's that important to you, subsidise a firm that is litigating that very matter. That's the way the system works.

As for the Kodak employees, I'd hand them a newspaper, and give them a great deal fewer weeks of unemployment, that in itself would be motivation to get them selves employed again.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[PhillyKev 0]

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As for the Kodak employees, I'd hand them a newspaper, and give them a great deal fewer weeks of unemployment, that in itself would be motivation to get them selves employed again.

Just because there are help wanted ads doesn't mean everyone could get a job. It's churn. There are still more unemployed people than available jobs. And why would you limit unemployment compensation? It's already limited by how much and how long the recipient contributed to the program. It's insurance, not welfare. It's also only a portion of your income. I know a lot of people who have had to collect unemployment recently, and none of them were just living off that. They were all looking for jobs.

[turtlespeed 226]

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. . . It's insurance, not welfare. It's also only a portion of your income. I know a lot of people who have had to collect unemployment recently, and none of them were just living off that. They were all looking for jobs.

What other Insurance does the Government provide. "Unemployment Insurance" is a fancy way to delegat funds into a welfare program designed initially to help, but now, just enables those that won't swallow thier pride and start back at a lower level.

If it were truly "Insurance" it would be privatised, and there would be competition for the industry. As there is none that I can think of - it is as I stated above. Don't get me wrong - Some time is needed, i know that, but not nearly as much as is given.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kallend 2,146]

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As for the Kodak employees, I'd hand them a newspaper, and give them a great deal fewer weeks of unemployment, that in itself would be motivation to get them selves employed again.

It's not a gift. They pay into an insurance scheme. A gift is what Halliburton got with its no-bid contract.

It amazes me how self-styled conservatives so often find it easy to be charitable to big businesses and executives, but want to screw regular workers not unlike themselves. Kodak is in a bad way on account of bad decisions made at the very top. Tell me, how many Kodak executives laid themselves off?

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[turtlespeed 226]

Do you think I am in favor of what Kodak did?

Did I say I agreed with what Haliburton got? Me thinks not.

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It amazes me how self-styled conservatives so often find it easy to be charitable to big businesses and executives, but want to screw regular workers not unlike themselves.

I live in the world of Bidding jobs - That is what I do for a living - and even more competitive, I work in the construction industry - as cut throat as it gets. I work for the money I get by putting numbers and prices together to come up with a total price that is lower than the next company. SOmetimes, there is even a commision given when the job makes more money than expected.

If what I believe to be right makes me a conservative, then so be it. I have a hard time self styling myself about anything.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[rehmwa 2]

Turtle - You can purchase private unemployment insurance, also some companies have supplemental disability to cover which you'd pay in to, etc. What I don't know is whether the gov unemployment insurance is self sustaining or does it pay more than it takes in. And it's not voluntary. I don't begrudge the program, but do consider a privatized version would likely be more efficient. There are other programs to begrudge.

A typical laid off person doesn't live off unemployment any longer than he has to. But the exceptions to the rule alway torque people off and those individuals should be addressed as a separate problem than the general program.

other - Kodak is in a bad way because their product is obsolete and they couldn't react (read chose to react) to enter the appropriate new market. That did affect the size of the layoff. It's a shame to even see layoffs that big in any corp.

But again, I'd doubt any of the Execs would purposely make poor decisions with the intent to drive their company into the ground for the express purpose of layoffs. I refuse to bundle them all into a single easy to judge package. We are all just people to take as individuals. Poor business decisions does not equal poor character. Unless you are saying negligent decision were made, then that person will be unemployed eventually.

I don't try to spend too much time on either of the outliers to the distribution. I think that's the basis of a 'stereotypical' bleeding heart. They resent/empathize the outliers but don't notice the average.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

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It amazes me how self-styled conservatives so often find it easy to be charitable to big businesses and executives, but want to screw regular workers not unlike themselves.

What is this charity of which you speak? I understand many believe that tax cuts for corporations are "charity." I understand that many believe that tax cuts for the wealthy are "handouts." I understand that many believe anythign done to help a corporation is done to "screw regular workers."

Would you be speaking of Haliburton, who received contracts at the expense of other companies? How about Kodak, who is laying off a number of people because the business is not working out?

Let's face a stark reality - corporations drive our economy. Did you ever say, "Thanks, Kodak, for providing 100 years of gainful employment to Americans?" Did you ever say, "Thank you, Microsoft, for making my life so much damned easier?" Or, "Thank you, Cessna, for helping my hobby?"

Probably not. But I'll say it:

"Thank you Kodak for all of your years of pumping money in and out of the economy. Thank you for all of the memories you helped me save. Save you for saivng me a millions of words with your EOS Camera and 400 speed 35 mm film."

Yeah, it sucks that people get laid off. But it's also nice that they had a job as long as they did.

Hey, why don't you hire them, professor? You could be a source of good for all those 15k from Kodak. They need jobs. You can give them all jobs, right?

WRONG! I'll admit Kodak and Microsoft and Haliburton have done more for the American worker than I have done. And they've done more than you.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Theres a pattern I'm starting to see.

Liberals want to blame Corporations and Government for bad decisions and want to insist they pay for their bad decisions by compensating the individual.

On the other hand, they are perfectly willing to excuse individuals for bad decisions such as pregnancies, failure to save for the future, drug use etc. while at the same time insisting government i.e. taxpayers, pay for personal bad choices.

[Deuce 1]

I guess this is why I'm a libertarian at heart.

My platform=no platform.

Don't want to end up snapping my fingers and dancing and singing at the DZ.

"When you're a jet you're a jet all the way, from your first cigarette to you're last dying day!"