AggieDave 6 #1 January 30, 2004 Ok, I'm doing a site for a client, I got all the Flash work done so I'm getting the actual site layout/test site done for overall approval before I fully complete out the site. Well, instead of going with my tried and true Notepad and scripting out the HTML and the Syle Sheets by hand, I decided to try Dreamweaver out. Since everyone raves about it, though I'd see how it went. It fucking blows. Now I'm having to go back and fix script by hand since it looks GREAT in Dreamweaver but its an abortion of a site when I open it in any browser. Aggghhh, what a waste of time and energy. Am I the only one that thinks Dreamweaver is a worthless POS?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #2 January 30, 2004 Umm.......Ok, if you say the dream scape is poopy......welll, I guess so.... *ACME shuffles off to find other computer ignorant people to hang with*~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 30, 2004 Here, see if yall see anything wrong with my scripting, I just went back and "fixed" some of the crap that Dreamweaver did, still no worky. (please remember, this is a rough cut of the site). http://www.texoma.net/~dlund/afs/main.htm--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #4 January 30, 2004 QuoteAm I the only one that thinks Dreamweaver is a worthless POS? Eh. Our Intranet is templated in Dreamweaver so I pretty much have to use it (the initial design choice was made before I joined the company). I never take it out of the split view because the code it generates requires an infuriating amount of hand tweaking. For static pages it works kinda sorta alright, I guess. Better than pretty much every other WYSIWYG HTML editor I've ever used, but that isn't saying much. Hot tip: Never, ever, for any reason, ask Dreamweaver to generate even the simplest ASP or PHP for you. It will probably work, but if you later need to go beyond what Dreamweaver can do (which is to say, if you want a non-trivial app) and try to modify the code by hand it is practically impossible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 January 30, 2004 Yeah, I'm really unimpressed with Dreamweaver...I was setting up a simple site, so I thought I'd try it. Embeded tables and style sheets. Thought that'd be easy enough for it. Nope, last time I did any work with ASP, I did what I always do (until today), I open up Notepad and code it. That's how I've always done all of my programing. Even back when I was a CS major programing C and Java. Hey, look at the link, I think I'm just tired, since I can't figure out why the tables aren't displaying like they should.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #6 January 30, 2004 QuoteHere, see if yall see anything wrong with my scripting, I just went back and "fixed" some of the crap that Dreamweaver did, still no worky. (please remember, this is a rough cut of the site). http://www.texoma.net/~dlund/afs/main.htm Yeah, it looks really wrong in Mozilla (attached). Honestly, if this is all that you have done I would scrap it and start from scratch. Have you considered a tableless layout (look down the page) using CSS? I've been experimenting with it and it seems to work really well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 January 30, 2004 QuoteYeah, it looks really wrong in Mozilla (attached). I have a question about your attachment. What are the two pages you "blurred" out that you didn't want us to see? So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 January 30, 2004 Yeah, not much had been done, I was thinking of scrapping it, just didn't want to do that. No, haven't played with the table-less stuff yet. Honestly, I don't do many sites anymore, I'm so burnt out doing web development I can't fucking stand it. So I just want to be done, get paid and never do another site ever again. Something about doing websites since late 1994 just really burns you out.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 January 30, 2004 Oh, nice catch, didn't even pay attention to that. Hmmmmmm...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #10 January 30, 2004 what-you-see-is-what-you-might-get-if-you're-lucky I don't like wysiwyg editors cause on the rare occasion I make a website, I'm generally more interested in the server-side aspect of it to keep track of the content. The front end of the site usually ends up being rather utilitarian and orthogonal looking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #11 January 30, 2004 QuoteHey, look at the link, I think I'm just tired, since I can't figure out why the tables aren't displaying like they should. Your stylesheet is broken somewhere. If I view the page without it, the layout looks correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 January 30, 2004 That would make sense, since I let Dreamfucker create them for me. Bastards.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #13 January 30, 2004 Try taking the display, clear, and float lines out of AFS-side. Edit: Actually, you only need to take the display line out (or set it to "visible"). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #14 January 30, 2004 QuoteI have a question about your attachment. What are the two pages you "blurred" out that you didn't want us to see? Pretty much just run-of-the-mill midget scat porno. Actually, it's just some company email that has people's names in the subject. Didn't notice them until I had taken the screen shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 January 30, 2004 Actually, just went back and recreated the Style Sheets by hand. Its fixed. Thanks. See, told you I was tired.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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harro 0 #17 January 30, 2004 Aggie, What version are you using. Dreamweaver MX tells you what not going to work in a browser. It does automatic browser checksJumpy Jumpy?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #18 January 30, 2004 I could not agree more It probably works fine for static pages, but not if you want anything more than that. I've found VIm to be the best html editor out there. Of course it takes some time getting used to. It's for *nix system (there is a win32 version available too). Syntax highlightning is very nice. Typos suck. It's not always fun to look for that missing " or > etc. Regex search and replace comes in handy to. There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #19 January 30, 2004 I've been using EditPlus2 for a couple of years now. I like the fully reconfigurable keyboard shortcuts. The macros are nice, too. I've never used a WYSIWYG editor, and I probably never will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #20 January 30, 2004 i like dreamweaver. like someone else already stated - the latest version of mx has a great browser compatability check built in. you can test/view your pages and how they will look in different browsers and different versions of those browsers. don't know. sorry for your troubles - but i'm still a big fan of DW. been using it for about 4 or 5 yrs now. good luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #21 January 30, 2004 I agree. I like MX. Well, he could go for the really top of the line stuff, like M$ Frontpage....It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #22 January 30, 2004 i am currently using Dreamweaver MX which in my opinion is a load of shite. Older versions that I have used in the past worked much better for my purpose as I usually hand edit and write within DW anyway. The only thing I like about DM is site management and being able to make a change and propagate it thoughout the site.---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think my attitude stinks you should smell my fingers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #23 January 30, 2004 It is Dreamfucker MX, but yesterday will be my only time to actually use it to make anything. I work faster and more efficiently if I just type it out in Notepad. I also don't have to spend 2 hours trying to figure out WTF did it do and why won't it do what I want. Then again, I've been doing professional web design by scripting everything out by hand for about 10 years, so its what I know.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeedToJump 0 #24 January 30, 2004 The WYSIWYG editors are great if that's all you need to do and if you don't know HTML or just want to get some quick data up on the web. For anything else do it by hand. The last time I used FrontPage or DreamWeaver would have been when each released version 1 and that's probably the last I'll ever work with either of them. If I'm building a web page chances are it's got a lot of ASP, ASPX or JavaScript code in which case a WYSIWYG is worthless. EditPlus looks cool though, I'm going to download it now and try it out.Wind Tunnel and Skydiving Coach http://www.ariperelman.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #25 January 30, 2004 Hey i know how to Download MP3 Am i cool I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
