freeflir29 0 #101 January 28, 2004 Quoteya don't slap our Rangers in the face just to keep an allied force happy. I see you are not in tune with how diplomats work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #102 January 29, 2004 1at and 2nd Anglico was disbanded but last year they were reinstated. 3rd and 4th Anglico has been hold things in check and never gone away. Shit Hot FROC's Unite! HOORAH! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #103 January 29, 2004 In the early 70's the only people I knew of who wore berets, in the army, were S.F. and rangers. Then about the middle 70's it seemed that the army was issuing new hats to everyone. I'm still not sure what cavalry hats stand for, but they sure look out of place. I see nothing wrong with airborne people wearing a red beret, but it really bothers me when I see a new recruit wearing a beret with a flash on the front of it. It must have been in the 90's that they took the ranger's beret and gave it to everyone. I earned a green beret back in 70 and 71. I mean it took a lot of sweat, and grit to make it through and become flash qualified. And then you see some one wearing the same thing just for signing up...There's something really wrong here! I also know the feeling of wearing something that you don't deserve. I was in the National Guard back then. I think Guard Units now vastly improved and are taking an active combat roll, but when I returned home...ours was a real joke. I should have had sense enough to go regular Army. Most of the people in our unit were not S qualified and were a bunch of real turkeys who were avoiding the draft. And yes all of them were wearing a Green Beret if they were jump qualified. I was almost embarassed to say that I was in Special Forces because I'd also have to say I was also in the National Guard. As far as the other branches of the services, I have loads of respect for other hard core elite units who didn't get to wear any special headgear. Seal training has got to be the toughest. But then again training is only training for the real thing. Those who have survived combat are the ones I truly look up to.....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #104 January 29, 2004 I worked in that same MARS station sometimes as well. I was ok not doing my MOS much. When I was at 1st GRP since they didn't use us for what we where there for, we were the ones that got to fill in when one of the teams where down a commo guy. So I got to spend a lot of time with the ODA's from 2nd Batt. Those where some of the best guys I have ever had the privilage of working and playing with.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #105 January 29, 2004 QuoteQuoteANGLICO? Air-Naval Gunnery LIason COmpany. They go in all sneaky sneaky and say shoot here- shoot there - don't drop a bomb here - drop a bomb there. Were disbanded for awhile but I heard they had just reformed a company. Any truth to that guys? Jump Just caught the error here Air Naval GUNFIRE Liaison Company. Other than that, yep we are sneaky sneaky bastards. Here is the requirements for us ANGLICO Marines From the 4th ANGLICO Website: ANGLICO Schools Required Basic Airborne Artillery Spotters Course Field Radio Operators Course Tactical Air Control Party Course Naval Gunfire Liaison Officers Course Naval Gunfire Spotters Course Marine Corps Martial Arts Tan Belt Course Advanced Special Operations Spotters Course Marine Air Ground Task Force Course Static Line Jumpmaster Pathfinder Winter/Summer Mountain Leader Course HRST Master School SERE School Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructors Course This information was partly published by "Field Artillery" magazine in 1990. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #106 January 29, 2004 QuoteHere is my outlook.... I feel like others that the beret is a sign that you arent just an average soldier....you have achieved more. I personall hate to see soldiers walking around with a maroon beret and no airborne wings. Why should they get it just because they are in the unit....uniformity?? I was in 7th Special Forces Group for two years, granted i wasnt SF i was a part of the unit, and i didnt get a green beret for uniformity, nor did i want one because i didnt earn it. But if me being in an SF unit still wearing a maron beret, why cant the legs in an airborne unit still wear the black beret, or more preferabllity the leg cap....cause they didnt earn a beret. I agree, i like thisLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bnacrazywoman 0 #107 January 29, 2004 I think you need a new canopy George! Maybe a big Green and White Classic. Adam--Kick ass in the Maroon! BN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #108 January 30, 2004 I think they should give the Rangers back their black Beret and give the tan berets to the regular soldiers. The first time I got punched in the chest (Airborne Soldiers know what that means) and got handed my maroon beret was the proudest moment of my life!! There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #109 January 30, 2004 QuoteI think they should give the Rangers back their black Beret and give the tan berets to the regular soldiers. Outstanding idea! I think the reason is that Shinseki was a tanker. He was a great officer but..........he was still a tanker. I served under him for 2 years and even briefed him on a mission once and I really liked the guy. I just don't think he understood the significance of the beret to the infantry guys. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #110 January 30, 2004 Quote I just don't think he understood the significance of the beret to the infantry guys. A tanker wouldn't..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crapflinger2000 1 #111 January 30, 2004 That's what my recruiter told me I was going to be when I enlisted in the reserves. Of course, I ended up an 0844 in the FDC because fucking Sgt Lang lied to me. He actually got busted for lying to recruits... Also, there was no ANGLICO platoon in my unit at all anyway, just a Naval Guns FO platoon full of 0861s, so I was REALLY lied to... If you recall from Desert Storm, the Iraqis attacked a Saudi border town called Khafgi (spelling?), and there was an ANGLICO reserve unit from Long Beach trapped in there for awhile, calling in arty on the Iraqis. Least I heard they were reservists from Long Beach... someone correct me... __________________________________________________ What would Vic Mackey do? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #112 January 30, 2004 4TH ANGLICO is Stationed in West Palm Beach Florida (my old unit). There is 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th ANGLICO. For a better idea of our proud history and what we do/did and where we came from go here: http://anglicoassociation.org/Home%20page.htm. This site has more info than you could want and is on has links to each of the ANGLICO units. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #113 January 30, 2004 Is that the only one in Florida? I spent some time at JRTC in Jan 1996 with some reservist ANGLICO guys. In fact we all made a Super Poncho Hooch together while stranded in the North box for a week. I had no sleeping bag and those guys helped me gather some MRE boxes to keep me from freezing to death. It's amazing what a little cardboard will do to keep the heat in! Man that was one miserable week. We had fun bitching about the Army's goofed up planning. They had told me it was a 24 hour op and I would be in a warm Delta Co vehicle. That lasted about 15 minutes on LZ Crow. I spent the next week freezing my ass off. They went with the BN Scouts.....walked for 14 hours before they hit their OP. They had been out 5 days when I ran into them. I still remember the Scout Plt Leaders name though. Sgt 1st Class Hockenberry. He was the only Army guy there that didn't seem to have his head up his ass. Freakin conventional clowns!!! Anyway.....was that your Unit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #114 January 30, 2004 Yes that is the ONLY ANGLICO unit in FL. And it is the only reservist ANGLICO unit. So it must have been 4th'ies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #115 January 30, 2004 QuoteSo it must have been 4th'ies. Cool...I was thinking there was only one Reserve unit but couldn't remember. Don't remember any names but I can picture some old grisled enlisted guy telling me Vietnam stories one day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdgregory 0 #116 January 30, 2004 There were quite a few salty dogs. Our First Sgt was this bald, bulldog of a man that looked like Elmer Fudd. Had a picture on the wall that said "Don't talk to me about the old Corps un less your 782 gear looked like this." Above it was a knight's armor and sheild with a sword and lance. Too damn funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #117 January 30, 2004 But wouldn't taking the Rangers now sand berret and issuiong them to everyone just be slapping the rangers in the face again? Even in spite of the fact that we woudl give them the original Black berret back? By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #118 January 30, 2004 QuoteEven in spite of the fact that we woudl give them the original Black berret back? I don't think so......that Beret has many years of history behind it. I think they would like to get it back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #119 January 30, 2004 Well said. This idea was concocted by the same maroons that came up with don't ask, don't tell. One of whom is running for President this year,,,Oops, not quite correct he was fired by Clinton for not following the party line. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bshl 0 #120 January 31, 2004 I'm a leg so you can't say I'm putting anybody down. If the idea is to give everybody berets as a PR move, fine. Just don't force the Rangers to give up their color that they trained, fought and died for to the REMFs. Give the legs the tan and give the black back to the men who earned it. And yes, I do feel passionately about it. I didn't earn it, I shouldn't wear it. Period. Blue skies and happy landings! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
