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I agree. I read Starship Troopers when I was young. He attended the US Naval Academy and served for a number of years. There is far too much apathy in the electorate... people for the most part are not invested in the system. I also believe in Kennedys admonition.....Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. Some may not be physically able to serve in a military unit.. but there are other avenues as well. To be a citizen there should be an investment by each person. There are FAR too many like many people in this current administration that have never done ANYTHING but serve themselves.QuoteI like Robert Heinlein's approach. Let's make people serve a stint before they're allowed to vote. That'll fix a few problems.
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There are FAR too many like many people in this current administration that have never done ANYTHING but serve themselves.
Are you saying that this is unique to this administration?
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Ian84 0
Not quite sure what you mean.....
But I will say that Libya has agreed to hand over/destroy bio/chemical weapons, most likely because they thought they were next on the list. Why did they think that? Because the USA and allies proved they would not be bothered waiting to find out if Gadaffi actually had them or not. UN inspectors found nothing in Iraq before the war but that didnt stop Bush/Blair from diving in head first and now they're claiming they went to war for different reasons than the ones they stated before hand.
Sure its great that Libya is offering to do this, but invading one country to scare others into submission, when the one being invaded is 'innocent of the charge' is going to come back and bite you in the ass.
Its all just my opinion.......Steve asked why someone outside the US cares what you do........I told you why I care.
But I will say that Libya has agreed to hand over/destroy bio/chemical weapons, most likely because they thought they were next on the list. Why did they think that? Because the USA and allies proved they would not be bothered waiting to find out if Gadaffi actually had them or not. UN inspectors found nothing in Iraq before the war but that didnt stop Bush/Blair from diving in head first and now they're claiming they went to war for different reasons than the ones they stated before hand.
Sure its great that Libya is offering to do this, but invading one country to scare others into submission, when the one being invaded is 'innocent of the charge' is going to come back and bite you in the ass.
Its all just my opinion.......Steve asked why someone outside the US cares what you do........I told you why I care.
I usually don't respond to posts merely aimed at getting a reaction. If you really feel something, why not visit a war memorial, and pay homage to them in some quiet, dignified way instead of writing a post like this on a skydiving forum?
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Ian84 0
Libya??? North Korea???
The fact that you didn't invade those countries doesn't make up for the fact that you did invade Iraq. The administration has probably learned a valuable lesson from the Iraq experience and will be more open to debate from nations like France/Russia/Germany next time. For all I know if they had found WMD in Iraq they'd probably be after the next guy on the 'axis of evil' by now.
The fact that you didn't invade those countries doesn't make up for the fact that you did invade Iraq. The administration has probably learned a valuable lesson from the Iraq experience and will be more open to debate from nations like France/Russia/Germany next time. For all I know if they had found WMD in Iraq they'd probably be after the next guy on the 'axis of evil' by now.
But this is exactly the point!! yeah, we all remember that day.Quoteyou know...this whole post pisses me off....im in the army....and as far as the certain part(in bold) do you not recall a certain two buildings that were taken down and the 3000+ killed!!??? Not to mention our
Pentigon. or were you still in bed that day?
And I fully supported it when we went to war in Afghanistan against Al Qaida! But the invasion of Iraq was something that the Bush administration had planned long before 9/11, and it was such a priority to them that instead of focusing on the people who had actually attacked us, they went ahead and invaded Iraq, leaving only a skeleton force in Afghanistan.
Maybe if we had focused on the war against Al Quaida first, we would have gotten Usama & Zawahir & Mullah Omar etc. by now.
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Sure its great that Libya is offering to do this, but invading one country to scare others into submission, when the one being invaded is 'innocent of the charge' is going to come back and bite you in the ass.
We didn't invade Iraq in order to scare others into submission. It is a nice byproduct though. I wouldn't exactly call someone (SH) who was responsible for the death of millions, including his own people, innocent.
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QuoteLibya??? North Korea???
The fact that you didn't invade those countries doesn't make up for the fact that you did invade Iraq. The administration has probably learned a valuable lesson from the Iraq experience and will be more open to debate from nations like France/Russia/Germany next time. For all I know if they had found WMD in Iraq they'd probably be after the next guy on the 'axis of evil' by now.
Have you considered our invasion of Iraq prevented us from having to risk American lives in Libya and North Korea?
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However, if you can prove to me that the President knew that all of the intelligence he was presented was false but went ahead with war plans anyway, then you'll have proven to me that he lied.
Proving that he is a liar is going to be difficult. But I maintain the he is either a liar or an incredibly incompetent complete fucking moron of a puppet.
Of course, a great many people (numbers growing) think he is BOTH.
Ian84 0
QuoteI wouldn't exactly call someone (SH) who was responsible for the death of millions, including his own people, innocent.
By 'innocent' I didnt mean that he was a nice guy. I meant he hasn't got the weapons that he was accused of having. At least that's what it looks like. If they find something I'll eat my words.
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Ian84 0
QuoteHave you considered our invasion of Iraq prevented us from having to risk American lives in Libya and North Korea?
Yes I have. As SkydiverRick put it, it is a "nice byproduct" of the defeat of Saddam. The problem is the guy you chose to invade turns out to be the wrong one. Oooops. But its ok cause he was a bad guy right?
I feel terrible for all the people facing death everyday because of the governments mistake. I plan to join the military(British) in a few years. Maybe I'll feel differnetly about the situation then but at the moment I really don't see the justification for the war.
gary350 0
QuoteI usually don't respond to posts merely aimed at getting a reaction. If you really feel something, why not visit a war memorial, and pay homage to them in some quiet, dignified way instead of writing a post like this on a skydiving forum?
Just an idea. Use it/dont.
At least that seems more thought out than the whining, wailing cries of "TROLL!" I thought it was an incredibly sad and interesting milestone - a very relevant news event that was well worth noting and talking about and sharing opinions about.
It is also my opinion that Bush is a liar. That is what this forum is for - stating opinions to talk about and posting (sometimes) interesting facts or news.
I understand that it might be very embarrassing for all the folks who love and adore George Bush to have the fact that 500 Americans have been killed in a war based on lies (or gross incompetence, at minimum) be brought up.
Oh well - follow the forum rules and you can post here. Don't read it if to you it is pointless or just a "troll".
Jimbo 0
QuoteBut the invasion of Iraq was something that the Bush administration had planned long before 9/11, and it was such a priority to them that instead of focusing on the people who had actually attacked us, they went ahead and invaded Iraq, leaving only a skeleton force in Afghanistan.
If you'll recall, the war on Iraq has been in the planning since the Clinton administration, maybe even as far back as Bush Sr. This certainly wasn't GW's original idea, he's simply the one who's finished what others started.
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QuoteQuoteHave you considered our invasion of Iraq prevented us from having to risk American lives in Libya and North Korea?
Yes I have. As SkydiverRick put it, it is a "niceQuotebyproduct" of the defeat of Saddam. The problem is the guy you chose to invade turns out to be the wrong one. Oooops. But its ok cause he was a bad guy right?
Not OK. Problem is most of the world thought he had WMDs too. Rest of the world now wants to point fingers for political reasons.
However, if you can prove to me that the President knew that all of the intelligence he was presented was false but went ahead with war plans anyway, then you'll have proven to me that he lied. You've got a tall order to fill there, my dear Kallend. You're a smart fellow, but I don't think you can do so.
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