Bodyflight.Net 0 #1 January 30, 2004 A friendly neighboorhood survey based on some posts I've read recently... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #2 January 30, 2004 Fair Weather Jumpers piss me off - If you are going to be a fair weather jumper - act like it - Your NOT a regular. =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #3 January 30, 2004 So long as each dive is done as a re-currency jump there are few issues. The problem is that the risks involved with skydiving go up exponentially with time away from the sport, esp when it comes to canopy control and emergency drills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #4 January 30, 2004 If that's all they want to do, they should just do tandems. Only jumping a few times a year is very dangerous. JudyBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayFitz164 0 #5 January 30, 2004 If a person is only able to jump a few times a year and still has the enthusiasm and enjoyment of a "full time" jumper why would you suggest they only be able to do a tandem jump? As long as the person realizes that they are not current and should not expect to walk onto the hot skydives I have no problem with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #6 January 30, 2004 Quote Fair Weather Jumpers piss me off - If you are going to be a fair weather jumper - act like it - Your NOT a regular. Man... who forgot to put cafeine in your coffe this morning?????Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #7 January 30, 2004 I think a person should do what they wanna do. As long as they're safe and follow the rules, who cares how much they jump. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 January 30, 2004 USPA lists currency numbers for each licence. If someone can't afford to, or does have the desire to remain current all year (minus the winter for northern jumpers), then as an instructor I'll reccommend they find something else to do. I've seen the S&TA at my DZ give that same talk to a few people that only come out 2 or 3 times in a year to jump. Recurrency jumps are acceptible after winter or job loss, but more then a couple of times though and there are issues that need to be brought up and presented to the jumper. Low time jumpers needing constant recurrency training are best advised to take up bowling or something else.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dustin19d 0 #9 January 30, 2004 If thats all they chose to do, who are we to tell them otherwise!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #10 January 30, 2004 QuoteIf that's all they want to do, they should just do tandems. Only jumping a few times a year is very dangerous. Judy Hmmm. Interesting concept. I haven't jumped since May. You know, the whole money, family, time, etc. thing. I can only speak of Elsinore, but I know that if I want to go back to jump, I will have to sit through an extensive retraining program. Maybe when the money gets better and the time improves, I'll jump more. In short, I'll jump what I can afford. Since I cannot afford a 60 or 600 jump year, I need to stick only to tandems? Jeez, I'm not asking to be on a big way. Nor would I be asked on a big way anytime soon - I'm ugly and I'm not a female. Would you tell me to stick to tandems, thus precluding any advancement or practice in skills under a big PD Nav 260? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #11 January 30, 2004 QuoteUSPA lists currency numbers for each licence. If someone can't afford to, or does have the desire to remain current all year (minus the winter for northern jumpers), then as an instructor I'll reccommend they find something else to do. I've seen the S&TA at my DZ give that same talk to a few people that only come out 2 or 3 times in a year to jump. Recurrency jumps are acceptible after winter or job loss, but more then a couple of times though and there are issues that need to be brought up and presented to the jumper. Low time jumpers needing constant recurrency training are best advised to take up bowling or something else. I actually disagree with this. If they understand the costs involved in maintaining their currency why not? I mean, there are people who hang out at the DZ but jump seldom. They do pick up more info than the average monkey. But is it a matter of the instructor just not wanting to feel like they are waisting their time with this jumper or what? If they pay the money for the extra training each time why not? I say keep jumping but just remember you will never progress really.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #12 January 30, 2004 If there is one thing I hate it's being uncurrent. When I had 48 jumps I got out of the Air Force. With no rig and no job I went about 6 months without jumping. As soon as I got a job....I bought a rig and went back to the DZ. Making those first jumps back SUCKS. Especially when I had my closest call to a cut away on my second or third jump back. Packing error! Totally my fault because I was uncurrent. It's so much better when you can enjoy the skydive without worrying about every detail. That's all I have to say about that..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 January 30, 2004 I see nothing wrong with it if done conservatively. First jump grabbing a local coach and reviewing procedures. Second jump doing something small -- maybe just a few 2-ways. Slowly rebuilding upon the successes. Jumping a conservative canopy in a very conservative way. Probably never going higher than the wingloading the canopy manufacturer recommends for a novice (maybe intermediate, but that might be pushing it). For example Spectre. I see a lot wrong with it if they don't follow these recommendation. If you want to see an example of what happens to people when they return to the sport after a a few months lay off and then don't fly conservatively, just come out to your local drop zone the first really nice weekend of spring.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #14 January 30, 2004 QuoteFair Weather Jumpers piss me off - If you are going to be a fair weather jumper - act like it - Your NOT a regular. Define "Fair Weather Jumper." Is there a specific number of jumps per year someone needs to do to be a "regular"? What about someone who doesn't do that many jumps but works in the industry - would they still be a "Fair Weather Jumper"? Or is a "Fair Weather Jumper" someone who doesn't bother driving to the dropzone on marginal weather days? Or someone who won't jump when it's cold or windy? And how exactly is a "Fair Weather Jumper" supposed to act? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #15 January 30, 2004 QuoteOr is a "Fair Weather Jumper" someone who doesn't bother driving to the dropzone on marginal weather days? Or someone who won't jump when it's cold or windy? Guilty here......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pds 0 #16 January 30, 2004 QuoteGuilty here......... here? HEERE? shit boy you just plain guilty edited to ask: just how in the fuck do you make 20+ posts a day EVERY DAY for the past 3 YEARS?!?!namaste, motherfucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 January 30, 2004 We have one person at my DZ thats got about 50-75 jumps over 5 years now. Every time they comes out I grab my camera since they are uncurrent on canopy skills and usually crashes in. In the last 5 years they broke a leg and has hurt themself more then once since their canopy skills are so uncurrent. I've wanted to suggest going back on the radio since they are having so many issues under canopy. Just as they are starting to fly the pattern and not causing traffic issues... they'll take a month or two off and spend the next 2 jumps just relearning the visual cues on when to turn in for the pattern and when to flare. The freefall skills have never progressed much beyond someone just off student status and it clearly frustrates them that they are limited to small ways or jumping with an instructor since their freefall currency is lacking too. Frankly.. they can be dangerous to others in the air with them since they never really progressed much past the fresh licence holder skills. I do have to admit that they know their limits and is flying a canopy that I'm happy to see them under. They are loading it at about .8:1Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 January 30, 2004 Quotesomeone who won't jump when it's cold or windy? Yeah, I won't jump when ithe winds are over 14mph. Led me, as a low time jumper, to not jump on three separate occasions. All I did was stick around and learn and watch and talk to CrewDawgs all day (lesson learned that day - a cutaway can be a bitch at 12k with 45 mph uppers - remember that day, Shark?) and help find pilot chutes and such. I didn't have to be in the air to learn those lessons. Yeah, I am a fair weather jumper. That's why you haven't read about me here. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #19 January 30, 2004 No problem, just stick to tandems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #20 January 30, 2004 QuoteFrankly.. they can be dangerous to others in the air with her since they never really progressed much past the fresh licence holder skills. . The first decent weekend in April is always good fun for accidents because the people who have been in hibernation come out to play. Those whose freefall skills, canopy skills and observational skills are no where near as they think they are. This is made worse by long time jumpers who have built up a high jump number total and refuse any well meaning advice. I don't really care if they are a danger to themselves but I DO care when they are a danger to others. Just my 2 cents worth.I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 January 30, 2004 Chris, I'm a little surprised. I would have thought that of all people you'd know that hanger flyin' -- ain't flyin'. Yep, quite a bit of wisdom does get passed around that way, but not emergency procedures that require quick action. Currency is a big deal and yes you did talk about the costs of maintaining currency. Costs in time, money and effort. I was just taken a little aback by your hangin' around the dz comment.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #22 January 30, 2004 Oh definitely this person should be on radio. Yes, they are not any further from student status than their last jump ON student status. If the jumper can't deal with this then yes....they should be told to move along. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 7 #23 January 30, 2004 QuoteChris, I'm a little surprised. I would have thought that of all people you'd know that hanger flyin' -- ain't flyin'. Yep, quite a bit of wisdom does get passed around that way, but not emergency procedures that require quick action. Currency is a big deal and yes you did talk about the costs of maintaining currency. Costs in time, money and effort. I was just taken a little aback by your hangin' around the dz comment. Sorry if that surprised you. I think maybe it was taken more than I meant it. What I'm saying is that in Phree's example the person was told to move on and I didn't know all that was going on there. If the person wants to do all the retraining necessary (and be back on radio) then why not let them jump? No, hangar flying ain't everything. But why quash the dream (send them bowling) if you don't have to. If even with the recurrent training the person is a hazard to themself then most definitely council them that this sport might not be for them. Better?Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24 January 30, 2004 OK, that's more along the lines of what I thought I'd hear you say. Thanks for the clarification there. It means that all is right in my universe. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #25 January 30, 2004 QuoteMan... who forgot to put cafeine in your coffe this morning????? my apologies for my harsh quote there - that does not necessarily reflect my feelings towards this - I was just shooting my mouth off.... I have seen some pretty terrorfying things done by those just just jump three or four times a year - I think that sometime those with high Jump numbers give themselves a false sense of security when dealing with this issue - A real problem arises when someone has 500 jumps and feels that they are above currency - not necessarily for USPA, but for basic common sense.=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
