TORN....COACHING OR CAMERA

[stuffit 0]

Go with the coaching!!!

I bought the camera and I only have about 200 freefly jumps. I noticed that I was thinking too much about getting a good shot and not enough about what I was doing. Wait to get a camera and focus on your flying so that, as someone said above, when you do get a camera, the flying will be automatic and you won't continue with any bad habits (if you have any). I would say that the coaching will definitely make you a better flyer in the long run. Plus, there are always good deals on ebay.

[BETO74 0]

You already put money on coachin, give the camera a chance there is a new world there to explore, and it does help you get a better skydiver get a camera we were just talking about it with marco, I can always make you a copy of our jumps but you have to wait with the camera we land and we firewire check critique our own jumps and go up again beside I need to start seeing myself on video.

http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html

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and it does help you get a better skydiver

Where the hell are you people getting this?

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[BETO74 0]

You get the camera I get the G4 power book with all the editing softwares, then we make a team (Bannas and farts free fly team) you Marco and I. We are all set.

http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html

[CanuckInUSA 0]

It won't make you a better skydiver faster than good coaching will. But analyzing yourself with video sure helps. Of course you need to jump with people who also fly camera to analyze your own skydive, but if people aren't flying camera, you're in the whole chicken or egg scenario.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[diablopilot 2]

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Of course you need to jump with people who also fly camera to analyze your own skydive, but if people aren't flying camera, you're in the whole chicken or egg scenario.

That makes no sense at all. All you've made is an argument for having a coach (or other flyer) with a camerato video you for video debriefs.

Straping a camera on the side or top of your head does not make you a better flyer in any way. In fact it complicates your skydive a great deal. Cameras really need to be reserved until you feel comfortable, and proficient in the mode of flight you wish to film. When I started filming it was all belly flying or freeflying. When I started flying wingsuits I put the camera away untill I felt comfortable flying anywhere and way I wanted without concentrating on it.

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[mnischalke 0]

It's true. That's exactly what the guy told me.

I have made a good (or bad) portion of my living with a camera in front of my face, so maybe it's just something that works for me, but jumping with a camera has certainly improved my flying.

First, it seems that I jump with a lot more people who wear cameras and I can firewire footage of what I was doing on a jump for later viewing and analyzing.

Second, (back to the photographer thing) I fly with the person I am jumping with, because they are the focus, and they are the subject. I always have my eyes on them, and I fly relative to what they are doing. I am also not *thinking* about skydiving or car payments or if the dog shit on the carpet while I was gone. I am just *doing.* My body totally ends up being the control surfaces for wherever I need my head to be. Does that make any sense?

Third, I get to replay the visuals. Those visuals are the keys to remembering exactly what I was thinking and what was going on during a jump. I don't know about you, but I have had epiphany or two in the air, to only forget somewhere before landing. The video reminds me.

Fourth, I see what other people are doing. I get to look at body positions and how people react to certain things that teach me what I can do and what I need to be doing.

I have done a lot of coaching as well, but it's still cool as hell to both be wearing cameras during coaching so you can see both sides of the jump.

Like I said, that's what the guy told me, and I think he's right.

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[skydivexxl 0]

Amazing... most of the "advice" given here as fact, is being given by people who neither coach nor fly camera!

Another riveting DZ.com discussion!

Blog Clicky

[Deuce 1]

You had to be able to fly relative first. Putting on a ringsight won't do dookie for your body position.

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This is a much better Dean avatar. I'm not using it.

Edit: And I am both a USPA coach and a camera flyer. All must obey me!

[Nightingale 0]

she didn't ask for only the opinions of coaches or camera flyers. had she, I wouldn't have said anything.

[mnischalke 0]

Obviously that is true. You do need a good set of tools in your toolbox before a camera's gonna do anything but harm. I had assumed that's what we were talking about. SunnyDee's got like 400 jumps. She has a solid freeflying foundation, from what I gather, so that is what I am addressing in voicing my opinion and experience.

Who needs a ringsight anyway?

mike

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills.

[stuffit 0]

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Amazing... most of the "advice" given here as fact, is being given by people who neither coach nor fly camera!

Another riveting DZ.com discussion!

And yet another riveting response providing absolutely nothing useful.

[skydivexxl 0]

The kitty pic is great, though! Too bad it looks crappy as an avitar!

Blog Clicky

[Deuce 1]

Ah! Very funny! I couldn't make it out.

Now back to our regularly scheduled camera discussion.

[skydivexxl 0]

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Amazing... most of the "advice" given here as fact, is being given by people who neither coach nor fly camera!

Another riveting DZ.com discussion!

And yet another riveting response providing absolutely nothing useful.

The useful part:

After reading people's responses to questions on swooping, downsizing, base, camera and other assorted topics, and then reading their profiles and seeing only 5 jumps... I believe saying "don't give advice on what you dont know" is VERY useful!

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[Nightingale 0]

your response was to me, and I have more than 5 jumps, thanks.

It seemed like she was just looking at the camera for fun, so it looked like coaching might benefit her more in the long run. that was just my take on it.

Again, she did not just ask for camera flyers and coaches to respond. it was an open question. anyone could answer her, and she can pick and choose who she wants to listen to. There was no need to be rude.

[skydivexxl 0]

If you actually read my post, I was referring to stating things as fact and not opinion, and you just happened to be the first response, so I replied to it first...


Starting an opinion statement with "I think" is much better than "you should"

Don't take yourself so seriously...

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[BETO74 0]

Not only that but on solo jumps I make sure that horizon line is really horizontal stable, on thansitions, I'll make sure to always see a point in the sky cloud etc your memory can decieve video can't , I even can tell if I had an Ok swoop if I leave the camera on, so is not all wasted, I'm not agains coachin jumps I have done a hand full, I think the camera also helps when you have enough jumps and experience to do it.
flaming opinions seems to be the way people deal with things when they dont agree with other people opinion.

http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html

[SkydiveNFlorida 0]

If I were you, and i'm not, i'd rather the camera. At this point in my skydiving career, i'm not ready for a camera... but when I am, i'd rather have a cam then the same $$ in coach jumps. Besides, like another poster mentioned, getting a camera & equip requires a chunk of change... getting coach jumps is $$, but it is $$ you can spread out if need be. (3 jumps here, a couple more there).

My vote is camera.
Angela.

[Vertifly 0]

I think that you need to poll this.

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[cocheese 0]

Get a Cam.Fly it til it breaks or you get sick of all the stuff that goes with flying the camera, then be free for a while. Get some coaching . Then put the camera back on. Keep it simple and fun. and oh yea safe.

[sunnydee123 0]

JESHE - I wake up this morning what seems ALMOST turned into a fist fight last night on my little "just asking" thread.

It's all relative really and it all matters on the individual....I am just torn. I've done coaching but of course could always use more. I've also got lots of video of me but would love the opportunity to do and see more from MY perspective.

I'll sort it out but thanks to ALL for your opinions and suggestions...

@ Carlos.....I'm game for that potential freefly team but we MUST discuss that "name"

Dreams become reality, one choice at a time...

[BETO74 0]

I like bananas and farts free fly team, what wrong with that

http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html

[Treejumps 0]

Camera, definitely!

Flying camera has always been a great training tool for freeflyers. Every freeflyer I've ever watched progress has improved significantly from flying camera. HAving your own footage is a great training tool in and of itself because you will see where you were and how you were flying as opposed to how you thought you were flying. Also, focusing on flying for the shot takes your mind off of worrying about body position and enable youto "just fly". Go with the camera, you won't regret it. Besides that how about giving some video back to those who hooked you up? Give some video to the next jumper that comes along, and so on... its the freefly way.

Cya,

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