Sorry.....

[diverdriver 7]

Ok, thanks to whichever Greenie took it down. Yah, after the PM from Deuce I agree it was in poor taste even though I didn't intend to post it just for getting a reaction. Actually, you should be VERY careful on your preflights. We all talk about the "Cessna diamond club" and some even post pictures. I didn't intend to sensationalize it.

Again, my apologies.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[mr2mk1g 10]

What was the outcome? Did the guy survive?

[pilotdave 0]

I totally disagree with whoever took it down. You gave fair warning. We happen to be a group that spends a whole lot of time walking around airplanes. Those pics make a hell of a point (no pun intended) to be careful. Still totally grossed out though! But you don't owe any apologies.

Dave

[diverdriver 7]

Yes, my understanding is that he survived.

[AggieDave 6]

I agree, I don't think apologies should be said.

I looked at it, but didn't respond, but it did give me a new respect for stuff on planes besides the props. So overall, it was a good learning experience for me, even if it is disterbing.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[skybytch 273]

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I totally disagree with whoever took it down.

I removed it because Chris deleted it. Why leave it up there for people to ask WTF it was?

[mr2mk1g 10]

Same here - I think it's no more offensive than a video of your failed hookturn, or your fubar'd leg in plaster or ripped pants. Don't many DZ's have a wall for such pics to serve as a warning?

Such posts serve as a salient warning to all of the dangers arround us in our sport.

A little gruesome though if the guy was dead... he was identifiable for example. Perhaps the x-ray shot would have been sufficient then. But as he survived I don't see a problem with it.

[pilotdave 0]

Ok, then I disagree with whoever convinced him to delete it. Sorry!
Dave

[diverdriver 7]

Thanks Lisa. Yes, I deleted it. I shouldn't have posted the guy's face unless I had his permission (which I didn't since I don't know him). If I had photos like this of myself it would be a different story.

So, everyone calm down. I deleted it. I thank Lisa for taking down the thread.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[velo90 0]

I think if it was a genuine incident it should have stayed.
People need to be reminded of things that can happen.
Maybe a bit gruesome but a lot of us here have seen a lot worse.

Edited to add: Well photoshop his face out!

[Guest]

I was going to mention the Diamond Club, but you beat me to it.

I know you didn't post the pictures for voyeurism; the message of "be careful around airplanes - they have all kinds of harmful protuberances in odd places" came across loud and clear. However, IMO, it might have been more respectful of the individual who was injured to obscure his identity somehow, since the point was to emphasize the mishap and "don't let this happen to you", rather than Shauenfreude, which may have been how it was (incorrectly) perceived.

In short, no offense was taken here, 'cuz I know your intentions were sincere.

I remember reading a USAF safety mag concerning the F-15 Eagle and emergency ground egress - "If you decide to get out by going over the nose, please remember that there are all kinds of nasty probes waiting down there to greet you."

edit to add word 'ground' to last paragraph

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[diverdriver 7]

Unfortunately I don't have a way of doctoring (no pun intended) the photos that I know of. No photoshop. Does anything simple come along with XP?

[mr2mk1g 10]

how about photoshoping it so his face is blured out or a smiley is stuck over it.

Then add that he survived fine and repost. All happy? or would many still take offence?

[mr2mk1g 10]

doh - you beat me to it.

[JeffD 0]

you could use mspaint. or mail it to me at jeffd.at.dropzone.com and Ill change it

[Casch 0]

You could open the picture in paint and just put a big black spot over his face or something, that's easy enough

[diverdriver 7]

Ok, I actually have to do things before work today and don't have time to try this yet. I might repost later.

My outlook has been acting finiky on sending emails. I can receive just fine but sending seems to be a problem. So, it'll just have to wait.

[mr2mk1g 10]

I would vote for a great big "dirty sanches" mustache and side burns to cover the identity but I fear that, whilst funny, this would once again get peoples hackles up.

[Deuce 1]

Well, my point was that we've got a guy with a nail sticking out of his face and no idea how it got there. I am careful around planes, I know how to fly the little VFR kind, but without some clue as to what to be careful of, the message seemed to be "be paranoid, the plane will shoot something into your eye!"

I wasn't offended. I've seen folks in much worse shape. But without some idea as to how to prevent the plane from putting a spike in your face, it seemed kind of "faces of death" ish.

I knew immediately that Chris didn't post the photo for titillation.

[mr2mk1g 10]

I thought he walked into a spike and it broke off in his head....

what did happen??

if you re-post put a description of what happened

[Guest]

I think Chris said the guy ran into a static-discharge spike while performing a preflight walk-around.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Aviatrr 0]

I didn't see the original post, but I know what it was about based on the responses here. The guy is a pilot on a corporate jet. Here is what he posted on another public message board.

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I'm the one laying there by the plane. And I'll tell the story here because the safety aspect of it needs to be told.

It happened in Puerata Vallarta almost a month ago to the day. Because the taxiway was narrow the wing hung out over a downward sloping grassy area. I was walking back from the baggage area, around the left wingtip, to the front of the airplane and was distracted by something in my pocket. Also, because of the downslope, the wingtip was some 10-12" higher than normal causing it to be out of my perphriphal vision... an important thing.

I started to look up from putting the pocket object into my wallet as I made the turn around the wingtip... or so I thought. I had been distracted and not paying attention as I walked. First mistake... PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN AROUND AIRPLANES!. Also, I did not notice the wing rising. Second mistake. COMPLACENCY!

As pilots we work in, around, on, above, under, over our aircraft every day. We know where every antenna, bump, edge, fin, wire, or wick are. Or so we think... This "awareness" is built on our active senses... that being direct sight, perphripal vision, sound, and movement. On this day, because I was walking on a downward slope, the wing moved up and out of my normal field of vision. Not being able to see the wing means you're out past it... right? NOT ALWAYS!

I was turning to the right and starting to look up as I walked right into the trailing edge of the outboard left wingtip. I was impaled by the 2nd static wick from the end of the wing right below the left tear duct. The static wick went in a total of about 3 inches, immediately snapped off, and had to be surgically removed. I was consious the whole time and was able to relay my condition to my fellow pilot. This allowed him to handle the tasks suddenly thrust upon him knowing that I was not in extreme duress. And yes, having learned earlier that it is smart to document any problem with visual evidence, I carry a digital camera and asked him to take some pictures for later. I was laying down in the one picture of the wingtip because I was going into shock and knew I needed to stabilize myself before I fainted. Laying down worked.

To finish, I am well and healing. The injury was serious but luckily did not damage any significant areas. Our company took care of me and my family from the git-go and continue to do so, and I'm danged glad to work at NJA. I hope to be back on the line sometime in February.

But the important thing is the lesson learned.

PAY ATTENTION. It is easy to be complacent. While you're performing tasks around an airplane is not the time to be multi-tasking.

LITTLE THINGS CAN KILL. Pay attention to non-standard situations. Address them to your partner and pax so they will be aware of the one-time danger.

So that's the story. If I could attach a picture to show everyone how shocking this was, and why I'm so serious about the safety aspect, I would. For now, I guess I'll just have to become an Internet legend and when you finally see the pics, think back to this.

Hey, Chris, can you email me the pics at Aviatrr@aol.com? I still haven't seen 'em yet...but talked to quite a few people that have. I'm sure you know which major aviation website I'm talking about...it's in the "Fractionals" section, titled "Oh the pain"..

Mike

[Deuce 1]

Hey Mike, with that account out there now it is completely relevant and informative to see the pictures. The two pictures of the guy on the ground and the X-ray are really in perspective now.

The pictures without the explanation were kinda sordid, but with it are very instructional.

[diverdriver 7]

Well then, here you go again.

Chris Schindler
www.diverdriver.com
ATP/D-19012
FB #4125

[Deuce 1]

That guy really does have the soul of a camera flier, though.

Get a spike into your head and ask your buddy to take a picture.

That's the kind of guy I want at the controls!