jaaska 0 #1 February 6, 2004 So - I guess this would work in more general approach, too. There are important, fundamental (at least for some: e.g. for some people religion is such, others couldn't care less; others feel that e.g. gun laws etc. are, in a different way, as important) issues discussed here and I think it is very nice. I do not agree that this forum should be for skydiving only. This is Talk Back and as such people should feel free to post and discuss any given (if not breaking the forum rules) subject as they see fit. I do not follow Talk Back in most consistent manner (sometimes weeks or even months go by) so this is just my biased view - how do other people feel about it? I actually participated in some of the gun debates at first - but as someone so wisely put it: "If you think you can change other person's opinions in these forums, you should do a reality check" - I did and now I don't (normally) even bother to lurk in the Gun Debate threads - to me they have granted absolutely NO new perpectives since the day I started to read them. How do you feel? I mean there are 2-3 threads on this issue WEEKLY (ok. I might exaggerate abit ) - Can someone point me other threads that show up again and again and again and... (Ok... there are quite a few Boobies and GWB threads, too... ) Re-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up (both anti and pro, though it seems to me pro-people tend to start more new threads, BUT those same anti-people just keep on getting back to the same old subject). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 February 6, 2004 Yeah, they go in circles. Sometimes with the same people, sometimes with new people. The worst is that I posted a joke about guns and it turned into a gun debate. *shrug* oh-well.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #3 February 6, 2004 Yep, they do and nobody's gonna change anybody's mind, so I guess we've got to agree to disagree. So goes life. Blues, NathanBlues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velo90 0 #4 February 6, 2004 QuoteThe worst is that I posted a joke about guns and it turned into a gun debate. *shrug* oh-well. Maybe if your joke had been funny it might have progressed on to more jokes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 February 6, 2004 Hey now, I thought it was hilarious!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 February 6, 2004 QuoteRe-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up Are you suggesting that all threads concerning "guns" should be considered "reposts", and therefore be removed from the forum, i.e. censorship? If so, would you apply this same principle to all other types of threads which are posted with repetition? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that those who would deny citizens their 2nd Amendment rights, also don't mind depriving them of their 1st Amendment rights either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #7 February 6, 2004 http://people.kldp.org/~eunjea/jargon/?idx=holy-wars.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #8 February 6, 2004 I wonder about how some of these people keep from spinning them selves into the ground. I notice that the hard core gun fanatics are like gays, a relative small group that make a lot of noise. BTW I take a live and let live stand on either issue be it guns or gays. blue skies jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #9 February 7, 2004 QuoteQuoteRe-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up Are you suggesting that all threads concerning "guns" should be considered "reposts", and therefore be removed from the forum, i.e. censorship? If so, would you apply this same principle to all other types of threads which are posted with repetition? I guess I shouldn't be surprised that those who would deny citizens their 2nd Amendment rights, also don't mind depriving them of their 1st Amendment rights either. No, I'm no suggesting that. To be honest - if you really feel that you can contribute something new - time after time - to these long gun threads, I'm happy for you, really! IMHO, sometimes I feel that when someone is posting yet another anti/pro-thread (or other similar controversial subject that has been re-introduced x times) the "other side" is genuinely afraid/apprehensive that this post could actually turn some innocent people (people who have not yet made their minds about what to think of that particular issue - I seriously doubt that those people exist ) to "the dark side"... Have a nice weekend.' 6 days and counting!!! (The season starts - what season? - ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #10 February 7, 2004 QuoteI notice that the hard core gun fanatics are like gays, a relative small group that make a lot of noise. BTW Are you trying to say that all gun fanatics are gay? "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 February 7, 2004 Hmmmm...I'm gay? Well, that's something I didn't know, we better not tell my fiance.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #12 February 7, 2004 Jaaska said it, not me! "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 February 8, 2004 Quotehttp://people.kldp.org/~eunjea/jargon/?idx=holy-wars.html "Connection Refused". Repeatedly. Over several days... What was it all about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 February 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteRe-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up Are you suggesting that all threads concerning "guns" should be considered "reposts", and therefore be removed from the forum, i.e. censorship? No, I'm no suggesting that. Then perhaps you should explain what you did mean by that. QuoteTo be honest - if you really feel that you can contribute something new - time after time - to these long gun threads, I'm happy for you, really! There is new stuff being posted all the time. People have admitted that they've learned a lot about the issue from following the threads. So you should be happy. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine - you don't have to read them. But allow others to choose their own cups of tea as they see fit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaaska 0 #15 February 8, 2004 QuoteJaaska said it, not me! No, I did not say such thing! You were quoting b1jercat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaaska 0 #16 February 8, 2004 QuoteQuotehttp://people.kldp.org/~eunjea/jargon/?idx=holy-wars.html "Connection Refused". Repeatedly. Over several days... What was it all about? Works fine for me... Probably the server was crowded when you attempted to contact it. Just my guess... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #17 February 8, 2004 QuoteI guess I shouldn't be surprised that those who would deny citizens their 2nd Amendment rights, also don't mind depriving them of their 1st Amendment rights either. Thats funny, I didnt think this website was for US citizens... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #18 February 8, 2004 Quote I notice that the hard core gun fanatics are like gays, a relative small group that make a lot of noise. I haven't bothered to find more recent data, but this is from 1999-2001. Tell me again how gun owners are a relatively small group. QuoteAccording to widely varying estimates, there are between 77 million and 90 million gun owners in the United States. Here are some of their characteristics. 39 Percentage of Americans reporting a gun in their home 47 Percentage of men reporting a gun in their home 27 Percentage of women reporting a gun in their home 40 Percentage of whites reporting a gun in their home 19 Percentage of non-whites reporting a gun in their home 46 Percentage of Southerners reporting a gun in their home 39 Percentage of Midwesterners reporting a gun in their home 26 Percentage of Easterners reporting a gun in their home 33 Percentage of Westerners reporting a gun in their home 52 Percentage of rural residents reporting a gun in their home 36 Percentage of suburban residents reporting a gun in their home 25 Percentage of urban residents reporting a gun in their home 67 Percentage of Americans who have ever fired a gun 86 Percentage of men who have ever fired a gun 51 Percentage of women who have ever fired a gun 66 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for target shooting 65 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for protection against crime 59 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for hunting 62 Percentage of gun owners who own a rifle 59 Percentage of gun owners who own a shotgun 64 Percentage of gun owners who own a handgun 4 Average number of firearms possessed by gun ownerswitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #19 February 9, 2004 QuoteI didnt think this website was for US citizens... It is not restricted only to U.S. citizens, but there are certainly a lot of those here, and they probably comprise the majority of participants. Nevertheless, even non-U.S. citizens deserve to have freedom of speech, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #20 February 9, 2004 Quote, don't you think? naaaaa.... Its highly over rated.... look what it manage to give you as a presidentRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #21 February 9, 2004 Quotenaaaaa.... Its highly over rated.... look what it manage to give you as a president Come on the minority of people voted for him.....leave it alone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #22 February 9, 2004 QuoteCan someone point me other threads that show up again and again. RSL, newbie freeflying, uspa costs, poor media coverage of the sport, problems with the ratings system, and so on and so forth. And that's just in skydiving. Non skydiving there is Iraq, the 2000 election, religion, and more. It's not hard to find them if you sit and think about it. Quotethey have granted absolutely NO new perpectives since the day I started to read them. How do you feel? Re-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up (both anti and pro, though it seems to me pro-people tend to start more new threads, BUT those same anti-people just keep on getting back to the same old subject). You act like every single thing involving firearms is one topic. That's like saying everything involving skydiving is one topic, so it must all have been covered, and you know everyone's opinion, so it's all reposts. There is news, proposed and actual changes in law, different aspects to consider, etc etc etc. Just because it doesn't interest you enough to read, that doesn't mean there isn't anything new going on. For instance, did you know that the 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban will expire in September? ps - you must not have been reading them lately, because even I have redefined my perspective and learned new things in the gun threads, and I think I am a bit more involved in firearms than yourself. pps - the repost police (aka Ivan) can tell me to sit and spin for all I care, but until HH or a greenie says otherwise, I'll feel free to post as I please.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaaska 0 #23 February 10, 2004 Ok... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #24 February 10, 2004 but yes, they do go incircles eventually. my perfect answer would have been: "They do go in cirlces, but there are actually new approaches/infos about the subject every now and then"witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #25 February 10, 2004 no they don't _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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jaaska 0 #15 February 8, 2004 QuoteJaaska said it, not me! No, I did not say such thing! You were quoting b1jercat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #16 February 8, 2004 QuoteQuotehttp://people.kldp.org/~eunjea/jargon/?idx=holy-wars.html "Connection Refused". Repeatedly. Over several days... What was it all about? Works fine for me... Probably the server was crowded when you attempted to contact it. Just my guess... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #17 February 8, 2004 QuoteI guess I shouldn't be surprised that those who would deny citizens their 2nd Amendment rights, also don't mind depriving them of their 1st Amendment rights either. Thats funny, I didnt think this website was for US citizens... Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #18 February 8, 2004 Quote I notice that the hard core gun fanatics are like gays, a relative small group that make a lot of noise. I haven't bothered to find more recent data, but this is from 1999-2001. Tell me again how gun owners are a relatively small group. QuoteAccording to widely varying estimates, there are between 77 million and 90 million gun owners in the United States. Here are some of their characteristics. 39 Percentage of Americans reporting a gun in their home 47 Percentage of men reporting a gun in their home 27 Percentage of women reporting a gun in their home 40 Percentage of whites reporting a gun in their home 19 Percentage of non-whites reporting a gun in their home 46 Percentage of Southerners reporting a gun in their home 39 Percentage of Midwesterners reporting a gun in their home 26 Percentage of Easterners reporting a gun in their home 33 Percentage of Westerners reporting a gun in their home 52 Percentage of rural residents reporting a gun in their home 36 Percentage of suburban residents reporting a gun in their home 25 Percentage of urban residents reporting a gun in their home 67 Percentage of Americans who have ever fired a gun 86 Percentage of men who have ever fired a gun 51 Percentage of women who have ever fired a gun 66 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for target shooting 65 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for protection against crime 59 Percentage of gun owners who own guns for hunting 62 Percentage of gun owners who own a rifle 59 Percentage of gun owners who own a shotgun 64 Percentage of gun owners who own a handgun 4 Average number of firearms possessed by gun ownerswitty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #19 February 9, 2004 QuoteI didnt think this website was for US citizens... It is not restricted only to U.S. citizens, but there are certainly a lot of those here, and they probably comprise the majority of participants. Nevertheless, even non-U.S. citizens deserve to have freedom of speech, don't you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #20 February 9, 2004 Quote, don't you think? naaaaa.... Its highly over rated.... look what it manage to give you as a presidentRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #21 February 9, 2004 Quotenaaaaa.... Its highly over rated.... look what it manage to give you as a president Come on the minority of people voted for him.....leave it alone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #22 February 9, 2004 QuoteCan someone point me other threads that show up again and again. RSL, newbie freeflying, uspa costs, poor media coverage of the sport, problems with the ratings system, and so on and so forth. And that's just in skydiving. Non skydiving there is Iraq, the 2000 election, religion, and more. It's not hard to find them if you sit and think about it. Quotethey have granted absolutely NO new perpectives since the day I started to read them. How do you feel? Re-Post police: What do you consider re-post? (a valid question, since I know people's opinions about this issue and still they keep on bringing it up (both anti and pro, though it seems to me pro-people tend to start more new threads, BUT those same anti-people just keep on getting back to the same old subject). You act like every single thing involving firearms is one topic. That's like saying everything involving skydiving is one topic, so it must all have been covered, and you know everyone's opinion, so it's all reposts. There is news, proposed and actual changes in law, different aspects to consider, etc etc etc. Just because it doesn't interest you enough to read, that doesn't mean there isn't anything new going on. For instance, did you know that the 1994 federal Assault Weapons Ban will expire in September? ps - you must not have been reading them lately, because even I have redefined my perspective and learned new things in the gun threads, and I think I am a bit more involved in firearms than yourself. pps - the repost police (aka Ivan) can tell me to sit and spin for all I care, but until HH or a greenie says otherwise, I'll feel free to post as I please.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaaska 0 #23 February 10, 2004 Ok... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #24 February 10, 2004 but yes, they do go incircles eventually. my perfect answer would have been: "They do go in cirlces, but there are actually new approaches/infos about the subject every now and then"witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pleifer 0 #25 February 10, 2004 no they don't _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Kennedy 0 #24 February 10, 2004 but yes, they do go incircles eventually. my perfect answer would have been: "They do go in cirlces, but there are actually new approaches/infos about the subject every now and then"witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #25 February 10, 2004 no they don't _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
