JohnRich 4 #1 February 3, 2004 NEW YORK In an attempt to generate revenue and close the state`s enormous budget gap, Governor George Pataki has included in his Executive Budget a proposal that targets, and seeks to profit from, law-abiding gun owners. The provision in budget bills S. 6056/A. 9556 will require handgun licensees to pay a $100 "certification" fee to the state. This fee is required to either carry or possess a handgun. This "certification" requirement will include providing the make, model, caliber and serial number of all firearms currently possessed. It also institutes a five-year expiration period for licenses, instead of the current lifetime licenses issued by most jurisdictions. Furthermore, there will be a fee of $25 for each handgun owned. Additionally, this proposal would remove the caps on local processing fees, which means the fees can be expected to increase. These new fees could price gun owners, sportsmen, and collectors right out of their guns, by making it too expensive to own them. If you object to this budget proposal, you need to call 518-474-8390, or write to Governor Pataki at: Executive Chamber, State Capitol, Albany, NY 12224, to express your opposition to this attack on law-abiding gun owners. Source Here Search for "Bill No.", "S6056", year "2004", put a check-mark in "Text", and click "Search". Then see "Part I" of the budget document. This is a large file, and the download to your computer may take several minutes if you don't have a high speed internet link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jjiimmyyt 0 #2 February 3, 2004 Whilst I am unsure about the whole gun debate (I am a Brit, not really had much experience with guns), this seems like a bullshit to me. The charges, not the original post, that is. "This isn't an iron lung, people. You can actually disconnect and not die." -Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 February 3, 2004 Quote If you object to this budget proposal, you need to call 518-474-8390, or write to Governor Pataki at: Executive Chamber, State Capitol, Albany, NY 12224, to express your opposition to this attack on law-abiding gun owners. What I'm sure they'll appreciate are all the calls coming in from people that don't live there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #4 February 3, 2004 How about talking skydiving for a change? Your profile mentions that you've made a ton of jumps. So why not tell people about your skydiving experience instead of your constant gun talk? You obviously enjoy your guns (nothing wrong with that, it's your right to bear arms in this country). But I rarely see you talk about anything else and I'm beginning to wonder if you may be just a gun troll? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScubaSteve 0 #5 February 3, 2004 If they pass it in NY you better believe more states will follow. Better to speak up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #6 February 3, 2004 I have to tell you man that is so stupid thank god i am in RI now. It is such a pain in the ass to get a handgun license in NY but you give me 500 bucks i can get you a fully automatic M-16 or any thing else illegally. and i am not a drug dealer it's just that easy. I just think thats so stupid. Thanks for the postI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 February 3, 2004 QuoteThese new fees could price gun owners, sportsmen, and collectors right out of their guns, by making it too expensive to own them. Ah screw all you poor folk cant pay.. you cant play Things that make you go HMMMMMM [sarcasm]Seems someone from the Republican Party forgot to tell him that the Republican Party is the only true believer in gun rights..[/sarcasm] Not all REpublicans support gun rights. Not all Democrats are against the peoples right to bear arms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #8 February 3, 2004 I've seen him post about other stuff. Apparently you have, too. Are you tired of new people coming to your little playground with views different than yours, CanuckinUSA? ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #9 February 3, 2004 QuoteI've seen him post about other stuff. Apparently you have, too. Are you tired of new people coming to your little playground with views different than yours, CanuckinUSA? I'm not here to debate whether guns are good or bad and whether or not people agree with whatever it is NY state is trying to do. But I bet if you did a search for every post that John has ever made on DZ.COM, 95% (or more) are gun related. I don't know about you, but I come to DZ.COM to talk about skydiving. If I wanted to talk sports or aviation or whatever else, I'd be on some other forum. Back to your regular scheduled programming... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #10 February 3, 2004 QuoteWhat I'm sure they'll appreciate are all the calls coming in from people that don't live there. Since it is clearly labeled as a New York issue, I don't know why those who live in other states and are unaffected would want to call to complain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 February 3, 2004 QuoteHow about talking skydiving for a change? Your profile mentions that you've made a ton of jumps. So why not tell people about your skydiving experience instead of your constant gun talk? ...I'm beginning to wonder if you may be just a gun troll? I talk about skydiving quite a bit. If you do a search on messages posted under my name, you'll find plenty. Since the "Talk Back" forum is for discussion of any topics other than skydiving, I don't believe that anything here can be construed as "troll" material. There is quite a wide variety of subject matter being discussed, from serious to trivial. None of it is "troll" matter. It just is what it is. The messages I start are clearly labeled, and you can skip over them if the "gun" topic is unpleasant to you. Free speech and freedom of choice are wonderful things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 February 3, 2004 Any time New York wants to set up a gun registry, Canada will be glad to help! Fall off chair laughing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 February 3, 2004 Quote Since it is clearly labeled as a New York issue, I don't know why those who live in other states and are unaffected would want to call to complain. Fear. Fear that if "they" can do someting like this in New York, then "they" can do it anywhere. Look at the responces you've gotten so far in this thread. Among the things that are "unfair" about the NRA is their ability to get people nation-wide involved in local issues. The people from far and away really have no vested interest other than their own, so if they screw with a local issue it means nothing to them personally. Meanwhile, the locals can't seem to catch a break in controlling their own lives. Nice eh? Kinda of the same reason some people hate the ACLU I guess.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 February 3, 2004 QuoteAh screw all you poor folk cant pay.. you cant play The problem is that constitutional rights and the right of self-defense should not be restricted only to people who can afford to pay a lot of state fees. The poor deserve to exercise those rights also. QuoteNot all REpublicans support gun rights. Not all Democrats are against the peoples right to bear arms. True, of course. But the comparison is lop-sided, as shown by this 1994 Poll: "Do you happen to have in your home any guns or revolvers?" Republican .............. 49% Democrat ................ 37% Independent ............. 39% (National Opinion Research Center) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 February 3, 2004 Quote The problem is that constitutional rights and the right of self-defense should not be restricted only to people who can afford to pay a lot of state fees. The poor deserve to exercise those rights also. You're not seriously considering some sort of gun welfare program be put in place?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 February 3, 2004 QuoteI don't know about you, but I come to DZ.COM to talk about skydiving. If I wanted to talk sports or aviation or whatever else, I'd be on some other forum. Then what are you doing in the "Talk Back" forum, which is dedicated to non-skydiving subjects? Why are you reading threads clearly labeled about "Guns", if you aren't interested in them? Exercise your freedom of choice, and don't read things in which you aren't interested. And allow everyone else the same freedom of choice for themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 February 3, 2004 QuoteFear that if "they" can do someting like this in New York, then "they" can do it anywhere. I suppose the person answering the phone can note the caller's area code, and whoever analyzes the data is free to disregard calls from outside the state. QuoteAmong the things that are "unfair" about the NRA is their ability to get people nation-wide involved in local issues. I don't know why you single out the NRA for that. It's also true of the national anti-gun organizations, which wield their power in local issues. Nevertheless, the NRA doesn't just represent gun owners at the federal level, they also have state-affiliated organizations, to handle state firearm issues. And all the national organizations can do is disseminate information. It's still entirely up to the local voters to determine the outcome. This is all just the democratic process in action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #18 February 3, 2004 QuoteBut I bet if you did a search for every post that John has ever made on DZ.COM, 95% (or more) are gun related. I don't know about you, but I come to DZ.COM to talk about skydiving. You know that the majority of John's posts are about guns, and gun related subjects. If you don't like that, don't open them. Really, it's not that difficult. I would suggest the same to anyone who doesn't feel compelled to discuss or otherwise participate in any discussion that doesn't interest them. QuoteIf I wanted to talk sports or aviation or whatever else, I'd be on some other forum. There are other forums on this site, quite a few actually. Personally, I find the gun threads enjoyable. I've learned a lot, and formed a lot of opinions about the subject, by reading what EVERYONE here has to say. Same can be said for those damn political threads too. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #19 February 3, 2004 QuoteKinda of the same reason some people hate the ACLU I guess. Wouldn't that apply to any group with a powerful lobby and large following? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #20 February 3, 2004 QuoteQuote The problem is that constitutional rights and the right of self-defense should not be restricted only to people who can afford to pay a lot of state fees. The poor deserve to exercise those rights also. You're not seriously considering some sort of gun welfare program be put in place? No, I'm not for handing out free guns to the poor. However, there should be no fees associated with the exercise of constitutional rights. We shouldn't have to pay a government fee to vote, to make free speech, or to own a gun. Such things should be unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has ruled this way when it comes to voting, on the "poll tax". But somehow the politicians seem to forget this same rule when it comes to guns... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 February 3, 2004 Quote Wouldn't that apply to any group with a powerful lobby and large following? Mmmaybe, I guess it depend on your point of view. There are some issues that aren't local issues but rather Federal issues due to federal laws. For instance, while some municipalities have tried to inact local ordinances against aircraft flying overhead (beach communities against banner tows for instance), that's not really something they can successfully do because it's a federal issue and ONLY the feds can mandate where is and is not legal to fly. A LOT of communities tried to attack the issues by jumping on the post-911 bandwagon and dealing with the Feds though. What I found particularly interesting in the post-911 airspace grabs were that some businesses (Disney for instance) where far more successful than some communities. In other words, money talks with the TSA. But I digress . . . Issues like states recognition of gay partnerships is another interesting thing coming down. Now GWB says he's not against a Constitutional Amendment banning it. It's the only way he can get around the 9th and 10th. Personally, I don't think it's any of his business.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #22 February 3, 2004 Seems to me "John Rich" was bylined in a feature article in Parachutist this month (about skydiving, of all things). Happen to you much? mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #23 February 4, 2004 Becarfull what you say, USPA reacts to a lot of state and local issues. Would you say they are over stepping there bounds by doing so. I think it's the purpose of an organization to step in where ever precedent setting legislation may be passed. Thats why people join an organization so they have a larger voice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #24 February 4, 2004 Somebody get a rope and hang that FUCKER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pleifer 0 #25 February 4, 2004 QuoteQuoteAh screw all you poor folk cant pay.. you cant play The problem is that constitutional rights and the right of self-defense should not be restricted only to people who can afford to pay a lot of state fees. The poor deserve to exercise those rights also. QuoteNot all REpublicans support gun rights. Not all Democrats are against the peoples right to bear arms. True, of course. But the comparison is lop-sided, as shown by this 1994 Poll: "Do you happen to have in your home any guns or revolvers?" Republican .............. 49% Democrat ................ 37% Independent ............. 39% (National Opinion Research Center) what poll is that???? 49+37+39=125%%???? _________________________________________ The Angel of Duh has spoke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
